The Zeitgeist Movies, Movement and the Venus Project

Watching the Venus project video, I kind of got that disgusted sinking feeling in my gut one usually get's when observing cults.
It's like way to planned out futuristic, idk. Just sayin something doesn't seem right to me about it.

And Zeitgeist was pretty good. The religious part had a lot of truth in it, I believed 9/11 was an inside job before I saw the 9/11 part, but that was decent. And I will admit the New World Order part shook me up a bit. I mean, it's believable, you can't put anything like that past the Government.

 

the thing that made me wonder most was when they were talking about the pentigon gettign owned. how there were no plane parts found at the site of the crash or somthing like that? am i remebering it right

 

Something like that. That part confused me and left me hanging. I couldn't tell if they we're saying no plane flew into it at all, or if it was a plane but it wasn't piloted by who they said. I mean, wouldn't at least somebody in the immediate area come out and say, "I saw no fucking plane." or "There was a plane, I saw it." That lie seems a little to hard to pull off.

 

Tis bullshit conspiracy. Moreover, it borrows heavily from fascist rhetoric of the ZOG or JOG (Zionist/Jewish Occupied Government), the idea that there is a secret group of ppl (Jews/bankers/the reptilians) secretly controlling the world and working towards the establishment of 'one world government'.

The first section is a non-brainer, nor relevant to anything really. Christianity did not develop in a vacuum, and so obviously it borrowed symbolism and rhetoric from pre-existing religions. The question to ask is: so what?
What has this got to do with anything?
The way the bible has changed over the years to fit the socio-political needs of the Church over the years has been many, why does this point to a 'conspiracy' or whatever?
It is only those who believe the Bible is in fact the unaltered 'word of God' that should be concerned. However, religion has, and will always be, a social construct with definite political aims. To say that Christianity borrows from other religions and contemporary socio-cultural contexts is about as radical as claim the world is round. What does this section attempt to prove? Nothing particularly enlightening, rather operates as a means to gain legitimacy for the ensuing bullshit throughout the remainder of the film.

Section two, the 9/11 stuff. Well I'm not an engineer, I'm in no position to make an informed decision on the 'impossiblity' of the twin towers collapsing, thus pointing to a controlled explosion. However, my father is a structural engineer and thought the 'official' story of the collapse of the towers to be plausible; although many engineers disagree. All I can do insofar as this is concerned is point you to this page: www.debunking911.com/towers.htm
Maybe consider all viewpoints before coming to a decision.
Outside of that, I don't really know nor care about the 'dodginess' of the official story. The more important question is: What is gained by this wholesale massacre of one's own subjects? ie, what did, if Zeitgeist is to be believed, the US Government gain out of this attack? A war on Afghanistan and Iraq? Attacks on Civil Liberties? Whilst no-one can deny this occurred, the question for me is why would you need to stage a terrorist attack against yr own subjects to go to war and curtail civil liberties. It ain't exactly hard, nor rare, for the US Government to go to war for no reason other than geo-political interests, even when this is opposed by public opinion. The US Gov doesn't need public support to conduct wars, it just goes and does so.

The third section, however, is the scariest, in terms of recruiting people on the 'left' to hardcore anti-Semitic politics. As is noted in the counterfire article ungov links to. The idea that there is a secret society running the world and working towards establishing a 'one world government' is one exposed by fascists and anti-semites for decades now. Read the 'protocols of the elders of Zion' and you will no doubt see the reflection of Zeitgeist's politics.
Moreover, this idea comes from a key misunderstanding of the operations of the State and Capital. 'The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.' * Plus, Capital has always been global in scope and intentions. Capitalism, driven by expansion, is obliged to seek new markets for exploitation constantly, thus it hardly seems surprising that national borders are made redundant by Capital (whilst very, very real for people). This is what 'globalisation' is about, you know? Finally, it is hardly suprising that our ruling class act to further their position of dominance over society. They are not a secret sect misleading the public, rather they use the 'legitimate' means of Capitalist economics and the State (institutions designed specifically for this purpose) to reinforce their dominance and fuck us over.

Zeitgeist is bullshit politics, which not only fundamentally misunderstands how Capitalism operates, but offers us the abhorrent solution of blaming the Jews.

* Marx, K. & Engels, F., The Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marxist Internet Archive version, p.4.

 

it pisses me off that i knw a few people who have watches the movie and think they are all smart and knowing now about whats goin on in the world. i have friends who quote the movie like it was a dictionary. it gets anoying because im alwase seem to be the one tellign peopel its full of shit but they gang up on me sayign how real it is. they watch one video and think they are inlightend

 

Well then fuck it all. Let's ignite Toronto on fire on June 26th and 27th.
Sorry once again, I'm drinking while I post this and probably wont like it when I read it in the morning.
But new rule, I'll give you a disclaimer everytime I drink so you know what to, and not to take seriously from what I say

 

C'mon sex panther, have you read 'Capital'? Gold.
Just cos I'm an Anarchist (capitalisation cos I only identify with proper class-struggle anarchism, the rest is a joke and offensive to me) doesn't mean that Marx didn't write very good and concise critiques of Capitalism. This statement sums up the function of the State so clearly, why not quote him honey?

 

Absolutely agree, Marx did get a lot of things right above and beyond the things he was full of shit on...

 

all good honey bunny

 

too bad i am so late to reply on this. probably a waste of time but i have a few moments to waste and i can't pass this opportunity to put my two cents in on something i once felt very strong about. at one time i was a strong supporter of the zeitgeist movement. now not so much but i certainly think there are good points in both films that some of you clearly did not pick up on. i wonder where the anti semite stuff is coming from? perhaps it is i who missed something. in any case, i find it hard to believe any of you would honestly defend the banking systems of this world and the governments they essentially own. money, as it is used today, is a scam. false flag attacks are very real. i am not saying the zeitgeist point of view is totally correct but what the us government told us happened, did not happen. i saw good and bad in these movies. i am sorry to hear anyone saw only one or the other.

 

It's a slippery slope indeed, the thing is they are stating the obvious to plant their worm virus...of course Anarchists are against all the banks in the world and the IMF but these conspiracy theorists tow the line of the old white supremacy anti-ZOG rhetoric almost to a tee. They do not call for class war, they focus on division.

 

such as?

the idea that there is a secret cabal of bankers running the world is anti-Jewish fear-mongering 101. 'International Bankers' has oft been used as a term to mean 'Jews' by the far right for well over a century now.
Whilst Zeitgeist isn't explicitly anti-Semitic from my viewings, it does borrow heavily on anti-Semitic thought and rhetoric inre: a secret organisation running the world. Anyone who talks about the 'New World Order' is borrowing heavily from the far-right. Moreover, the film quotes Louis McFadden, notorious anti-Semitic congressman, as 'evidence' about the creation of the Fed.

How the fuck do you reach this conclusion?
Does this:

Sound like the writings of an apologist for Capitalism and the State?
To be critical of Zeitgeist does not mean one is defending banking systems, rather highlighting that the grounds on which Zeitgeist bases its critique of Capitalism are stoopid and wrong.

 

I really don't have an issue with the idea of calling for a new and independent investigation in to 9/11. Why the fuck not?

For those who say it won't stop the wars well...what exactly was that alleged trigger of the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and other US military operations and curbing of civil liberties.

As an Anarchist, I think that if we really are that hateful and distrusting of the governments of this world then we would actually be wanting to pick their official stories apart. What we seem to have here in radical circles in some cases is the concept that the government is evil and fucking oppressive but don't question what we have been told by the media and the government when it comes to 9/11 or else you must be a crazy person. Don't question the trigger to the new global conflict (TWoT: The War on Terror).

I am not a follower of the Zeitgeist movement or anything like that, I will admit to having watched the first one then got bored with the sequel very quickly.