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  1. Anxiety69

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    awesome homophobic slur, macho guy.
     
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    I didn't mean for it to have any referance to that. How would you like to be FORCIBLY sodomized? You wouldn't. Most people tend to not like to be FORCIBLY sodomized.
     
  3. Anxiety69

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    Your apathy is pathetic, maybe it's naive of me to not have anything to do with fools like mel gibson, i dont care how cool u think mad max is, he's a racist fuck, so i won't watch his movies or support him in anyway. You are a hypocrite if u claim to be an anarcho punk with an attitude that supports racists when they aren't being racist.
     
  4. ungovernable

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    You're a fucking idiot, that's all i got to say.

    You are the uneducated ignorant. Burzum singer is member of the movement "Hvit Arisk Motstan" (National Aryan Resistance) and he is involved in NSBM bands doing nazi propaganda. This is definatly activism. He idendified himself as a white supremacist way before his imprisonement, again you are ignorant. By the way, since he is in prison he doesn't pretend to be neo-nazi again for some reason, but he agree with 99% of the neo-nazis ideas and he is still a racist fuck.
    You're an idiot, you are defending a fucking racist moron who murdered someone because of hate and you say he doesn't hate, what a fucking joke.

    Yes he is an active white supremacist and he always been a neo-nazi, now he's just scared to admit he is still one. And his previous NSBM bands were clearly neo-nazi. He doesn't have anything to do with C18 or B&H but he is member of a neo-nazi movement.

    You are encouraging a known racist and a member of a neo-nazi group. Yes you are.

    Sharia law is not part of the coran, you are really an ignorant. Stop right now with your anti-semitist bullshit.
    Not surprising you like nazis with the speech you are doing...

    Ignorant. He does have nazi sympathies.

    Shut the fuck up, you listen to Burzum and you don't say they are shitty, so don't talk shit about Conflict. Clean your own room and throw away garbages before complainting.

    It's called anti-facism, dumbass.

    And not encouraging something that you know is shitty is just common sense and coherence, not orthodoxy.


    I hope you are not going to defend him on an anarchist forum, at least.

    And at least you are not encouraging a white supremacist asshole who is member of a nazi movement, not the same thing.
     
  5. Shuei

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    Burzum is, like it or not, very innovative on his last record. I can respect a musician for being good, but i wont support him/her if he/she advocates hatred.
    I DON'T support Burzum, for political reasons, but to claim that he is a skilled musician is right.
    But i do respect that he has stated that he do not wish to be a right wing activist anymore, and that he now just keeps to himself and his family.
    Varg Vikernes is a very exciting character (even if a lot of it is probably lies), just as i find serial killers and such to be exciting as a psychological phenomena. But of course, i wouldn't support these people. Ever.
    Also, it's not like i listen to Burzum, since it's not really my genre at all, but what i've heard is good instrumentally compared to other bands in that scene.

    I know i'm gonna hear for it, but i'm talking strictly musically. I don't agree with him, and i won't support an extreme-right-wing activist.

    You would have to know very little of art to claim that Adolf Hitler was much of an artist though. His pictures are strictly interesting in a historical perspective - and no, i wouldn't have supported him either.

    Kaaos-82:
    What historical evidence shows that Da Vinci should be a pedophile?

    Ungovernable:
    Seriously? Fuck, i like Psychobilly. Which band does Ian Stuart play in? I'm NOT gonna DJ that band then.

    - Just looked into it. It's sad that Demented are go should have played for that guy on an album, i actually liked Demented are go - But there are discussions about how many of members of the band actually played on the record, and if it were only former members... anyone know?
    If not - sucky way to ruin a band for me. Of course, there music doesn't support such organizations, and there are no references to white supremacy in the music, but i still find it hard to like a band supporting a musician like Ian Stuart.

    Also, i fell upon this from an interview with Ian Stuart:
    "IS THERE ANY SONGS THAT YOU WISHED YOU HAD WRITTEN, WHEN YOU HEARD THEM BY SOMEONE ELSE ?
    Yes, I would like to have written ”England” by the Angelic Upstarts, I can’t believe that Mensi wrote it as he is such a left wing prat. He used to be nationalist until he realized that he could make more money being a leftwing. (Ian then proceeded to amuse us with some stories he’s heard about Mensi)."

    Anybody can confirm that rumor, as i like the Angelic Upstarts?

    Generally, even if i can't stand skrewdriver and white-pride in general, the interview here is quite interesting: http://www.rockorama.com/ian-interview.htm
    For example, he tells the story about how Sham69 denounced white pride skinheads from their concerts, because they were left wing, and how skrewdriver refused to do that. (which makes me like Sham69 even more)
     
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    What a fuckin' douchebag piece of shit, race mixing is a no no but I'm not a Nazi....... :lmao:
     
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    varg vikernes isn't exciting or innovative. he's a racist douchebag, and is undeserving of any type of support or sympathy.
     
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    HOLY SHIT! GUMBY!!! and his more hardcore than ever!

    *flash backs to childhood* It is like the present and past are mixing..
     
  12. ungovernable

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    He still have the same ideas, he's just not active anymore. But he's still in a neo nazi group.

    It's easy to spread hate your whole life and when you have a family and dont want to get in trouble you just say "i am not active anymore so dont hurt me because i have kids and want a peaceful life"

    reminds me of the ex nazi soldiers who collaborated with the nazi regime and said "i am not active anymore i just want a peaceful life, leave me alone" after the war..

    those bastards have to pay for what they did

    And as far as i know, this asshole is still selling his nazi propaganda books.

    Oh and the link that butcher posted clearly explained he is just hiding his nazism under more politically-correct words like "odinism". He never changed his ideas.

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    i don't remember. but i have read many time that he wanted to extend blood and honour influence outside of the skinhead scene so he started a shitty psychobilly band

    Angelic Upstarts are already dumb leninist, with or without nationalism...


    Sham 69 are clearly left wing and anti-racist, they were one of the first bands to join the Rock Against Racism movement, and then ian stuart started Rock Against Communism to answer against RAR
     
  13. Shuei

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    Ungovernable:
    Very true, and even if he made a new record with some awesome music i wouldn't buy it, DJ it or anything like that.

    But if he has pulled out of activism, is he still making books or promoting it?
    If he's not, i don't want to bother with him, just not support him.

    Yeah, they were named "the klansmen", and first it was Demented are go! playing and then the krewmen, and then some nameless local band. Way to ruin a band for you! (Demented are go! that is)

    I knew the upstarts were communist's, but i didn't know they were leninists.

    Yes, and live, they promoted anarchist punk. Or well, they said "I find it funny how many people thinks good charlotte is an anarchist band, it's nothing but eyeliner and dollars - Go listen to some real anarchistic punk rock music!" or something like that.

    Oh yeah, and this song just because it says it all:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRQTAWHMRTk
     
  14. butcher

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    Anyone can be sodomised...
    and as Jameson points out, not many ppl would like to be forcefully sodomised methinks...

    hahahaha :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: coming from you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! classic :lmao: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs:

    Your ability to make such sweeping assertions about ppl from one interwebz thread ain't too great either...
    I live with Kaoos 82 and he's beaten up more nutzi teenyboppers than me, plus has convictions for being an ultra-violent crazy at the Melbourne g20 protests a few years ago, and the subsequent state repression. Plus he helped me with this gem. His revo and anti-fascist cred is solid as, lol :antifa: :ecouteurs: :thumbsup:
    And anywayz, he gets tons of grief about his Burzum listening habits from me a lot, both in real life and on da interwebz.
    His arguments for Burzum being ok are a bit weak imho, but i'm not gunna lynch him over it.

    I think you may notice that folks do 'pick and choose religion', look at how many different Christian sects and cults and whatnot there is. You don't have to be a Catholic to be down with the Sky Wizard, for instance, and whilst you kinda have to be down with Sharia law to be Muslim, what that actually means is pretty hottly contested. Moreover, the term is used as a derogatory term within, dare i say all, of the 'Global North' to make Sharia Law mean specifically a very conservative, fundamentalist, Saudi-style interpretation of it. This is probs best viewed within the context of the creation of 'the muslim' as the big bad Other, hence cultural and historical nuances are best overlooked to instead whip up fears of the 'invading hordes'.

    Moreover, to say 'race' has nothing to do with being Jewish is a bit counter-intuitive. Whether or not yr a practising Jew, if yr mum's Jewish you may have difficulty joining the KKK for instance. That 'Jewish-ness' (for the lack of a better term) is hereditary and deemed as a 'race', rather than purely a religion, by many (mostly not from a friendly perspective too) is nothing new. Hence, Anti-Semitism is a form of racism, etc, etc.
     
  15. KAAOS-82

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    The ultra violent crazy is 100% true. :ecouteurs:
    p.s ungovernable:
    Your haven't seen Mad Max? You don't know what your missing
    :ecouteurs:
     
  16. Anxiety69

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    whatevr, if he's so anarcho it makes his hypocrasy all the more saddening.
     
  17. KAAOS-82

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    Have a tissue.
    I'm not bound to social pressure unlike some people
     
  18. ungovernable

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    cover of "anthems against scum"

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    Ouch, i hope he doesnt makes you hear some shitty bands played by nazis...

    But wait, you are saying this dude participate to anti-fascist protests with banners saying "fuck racist tossers" but he encourage the music of the same racist tossers he's fighting against? sounds very contradictory to me..
     
  19. KAAOS-82

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    as contradictory as someone advocating freedom of choice by telling someone else what they can and cant listen to?
     
  20. KAAOS-82

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    and for your information i make him listen to Cars by Gary Numan and Girls just wanna have fun by Cyndi Lauper
     
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