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Gay pride rallys ?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by ungovernable, May 23, 2010.

  1. Wooly

    Wooly Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    In a lot of the world, gay's dont have the same rights as non gays. So i suppose gay rights/pride rallys are basically the same as any sex equality or race equality rallys that you would have. So i guess that the line is drawn in that opressed minoritys (gays, women, racially opressed) are entitled to rally, because if they dont there will never be changes made to make them more equal. i think?
     
  2. butcher

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    Wow, great observation there dude. Most straight men were probs busy acting like straight men.
    Acting like what exactly? acting in a way that makes you uncomfortable? Oh, I'm so sorry its not a bunch of straight men wolf-whistling at girls in the middle of the street.
    For fuck's sake, you response is still deeply problematic.
    1.) Have you actually been to a pride march? You may notice that not all queer ppl fit the stereotype you accuse all gay men of playing up to.
    2.) If that isn't so much a stereotype but rather an actual expression of someone's identity, what is wrong with that?
    3.) You are still ignoring the fact that 'appropriate' behaviour for ppl is a social construction and that it works to uphold certain interests of the State and Capitalism. You seem to accept the notion that there is a 'normal' (which should be noted only works for certain straight relationships at certain times) and that any deviance from that is abnormal, rather than the fact that deviance is but an impermanent expression of ruling class interests.
     
  3. butcher

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    Who the fuck gave queer ppl the 'right' to march', hmm? The fact that they initially actually took to the streets themselves!

    Queer people definitely deserve equal rights (I hate the term, I'd rather equality, but whatevs) to other ppl, the question is whether gay marriage is actually an expression of equality. I don't think so.

    BTW, what the fuck does 'the same treatment' mean? I'm sorry if I sound cynical, but to me that statement reads to me like yr suggesting that queer ppl have it sweet as, can demonstrate anywhere bout anything etc, that they get special treatment from the State because of their circumstances. Seriously, such as position is so fucked up that it defies comprehension.

    Where does one draw the line? What a fucking stupid question! Ppl have the right to act in their own interests against oppression and the violence inflicted upon them. Ppl may have to stop demonstrating at the point where a non-hierarchical and directly democratic political society exists in the community in which they live.
     
  4. punkmar77

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    The more of your posts I read, the more I'm inclined to believe you don't have a clue....... :ecouteurs:
     
  5. dinscurge

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    your ignoring the part where being gay doesnt instantly mean you hate the goverment and everything it stands for and want to destroy it. 2. thats a social construct that has nothing to do with being capitalist, say you had children, maybe it would be nice to not have everyone being drunk, doing crack/meth, constantly swearing harrasing poeple, beating eachother up. you could see how this "abnormal" behaviour could set a bad example for the children. there is behaviour which is unacceptable in public big f'in deal. when all your trying to do is change one law to allow you to get married, it doesnt help to act like you have the inability to controll yourself. never said all of them are acting like that. but the amount of people that are acting like that is significantly higher than the people that are actually like that on a day to day basis no?
     
  6. Anxiety69

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    Not sure but i think you either misunderstood me or took me out of context, by THE SAME TREATMENT I didn't mean the way Gay people are treated, I was saying Who do we let have rallys and marches and let it be something acceptable. The reason I then ask where do we draw the line is because then people will crawl out of the woodwork claiming THEY should be allowed to have rallys and such, like White Power rallys, or Facsist rallys. In other words, those who we on this website would believe don't have a right to such a demonstration, but yet the so called freedom of expression in the USA allows those fuckwads the same rights as other actual oppressed minorities.
     
  7. dinscurge

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    all though its a valid point, they are oppressed minorites although their views are entirely different, but in the united states almost no one has the right to "march" wether your a neo nazi, kkk, anarchist ect. anything thats controversial to the common public, the cops will show up try to escalate stuff, arrest people w.e. i mean if the cops showed up to gay pride parade and started shit, started beating them up, tazering them and stuff alot of people would be disgusted/it would all over the news. if some "whackjobs" were marching spouting how amerika is evil and religions are blasphemy carrying anti america signs and stuff the common public wouldnt really care. but thats how amerika works, and another reason to hate it.
     
  8. Bunny

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    I second this
     
  9. QueerPunk

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    BOOOORING!

    Assimilation is such a load of shit.

    The lyrics below sum everything up for me as a Queer cis-gendered male.

    PUNK ASS QUEERS - Limp Wrist

    yeah, we're the freaks in town
    creepy horny queens with our
    rhinestone crowns
    won't wed for the church or state
    we're punk ass queers normalcy is
    what we hate

    military gays what a bore
    don't guinea pig me for your fucked up wars
    log cabin queens, stuffy conservative shit
    in the spirit of stonewall queens
    we'll put and end to it

    T.V. shows abercrombie gays galore
    showing to the straight world
    we ain't weird no more
    fuck all this pity me shit
    bring on the drag kings with
    their big fake dicks
    i'll hang with hustlers, leather boys, and punks
    i'm not down with this normal world junk
     
  10. QueerPunk

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    Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir...how may I warp my personality and identity even more to fit in with the rest of society and not defy the norms enforced upon us by the ruling hetero-sexist elements of society.

    If you are a white hetero male saying this then I think you need to check your fucking privilege before spouting out shit like this.
     
  11. QueerPunk

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    Yeah so lets just ignore the city centre of Melbourne and Chapel Street where you can see heaps of stupid meat-headed hetero males openly displaying their sexuality and their identity in the street.

    Nobody complains about that now do we?

    Funny how its the car-fulls of hyped up sweaty men who scream out faggot to me in the street...

    You really are a vile piece of work aren't you mate?

    Dinscurge the Manarchist!
     
  12. butcher

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    word homie :thumbsup: :beers:
     
  13. QueerPunk

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    Stonewall Riots 1969

    Compton's Cafateria Riot 1966

    White Night Riots SFC in the 1970s

    All of which were Queer struggles.

    If you don't read your history on the issue of Pride marches then you have no fucking grounds to make any comments.
     
  14. Carcass

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    This might be the most depressing thread I've ever seen on AP. Jesus, where the hell to begin?
     
  15. QueerPunk

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    Deviating from sexual norms (eg being Queer) or deviating from the gender-binary or being Transgendered is an impermanent expression of ruling class interests...are you high or just fucking stupid.

    Berkaman made it very clear when he recanted on his views of homosexuality being a ruling class thing...that was how many years ago now?

    I have heaps of fucking control over myself but when it comes to people like you it is all to tempting to inflict horrible pain on you.

    I don't care for marriage to be honest and as far as I am concerned if you want to do it then you should do it however, marriage should not denote privilege...

    Marriage in its present form is state sanctioned monogamy to protect the interests of the nuclear family and hetero-sexist capitalist framework of society.

    Would you not find it disgusting that heterosexual males act like pigs towards women, committing violent acts against women and Queers? That's acceptable though isn't it...

    If there was any merit to your point then those men would not only be banned from marriage they would have no right to breed either.

    So all you say is just be good and don't stir shit up and we will be nice to you...I think the African-Americans had a term for people of their own who do that: UNCLE TOM
     
  16. QueerPunk

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    HOW DARE WE ASK TO BE TREATED AS EQUALS...THAT MUST MEAN WE WANT SPECIAL RIGHTS YEAH?

    HOW DARE WE ASK THAT WE ARE NOT ABUSED IN THE STREET OR THREATENED WITH VIOLENCE FOR HOLDING OUR PARTNERS' HAND IN PUBLIC...ANOTHER SPECIAL RIGHT I ASSUME BUT IT IS ONLY RESERVED FOR THE HETEROS.

    HOW DARE WE DEMAND THAT QUEER HIGHSCHOOL STUDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE FROM BULLYING BY STUDENTS FOR BEING AS OPEN AS THEIR HETERO PEERS, OR HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE VIEWED IN THE SAME WAY AS OTHERS BY STAFF MEMBERS...OH THAT'S RIGHT I FORGOT THAT MEANS WE ARE AFTER SOME OF THOSE SPECIAL RIGHTS.

    YOU REALLY ARE A FUCKING MORON AREN'T YOU?
     
  17. QueerPunk

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    SO WE CAN AGREE THAT DINSCURGE & ANXIETY69 ARE QUEERPHOBIC HETERO-SEXISTS....?

    DO WE HAVE GENERAL CONSENSUS HERE?
     
  18. Anxiety69

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    what the fuck did i say that made you think im a homopphobe? because i said you deserve the same rights as everyone else nut nothing beyond what anyone else deserves? how about explaining it to me instead of being a name calling jackass.

    HOW DARE WE ASK TO BE TREATED AS EQUALS...THAT MUST MEAN WE WANT SPECIAL RIGHTS YEAH?



    DID U even read my fucking post? i guess not so here let me quote it for you.

    my feeling is gays don;t deserve any special rights, yet they should have the exact same rights as everyone else,



    How can you read that and NOt think it means i think you should have equal rights? FFs.


    YOU REALLY ARE A FUCKING MORON AREN'T YOU?



    Pot calling kettle black, as you seem to have not read a word i wrote. Oh and resorting to name calling that will really get your point across, especially when I already agree with you.
     
  19. dinscurge

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    "Would you not find it disgusting that heterosexual males act like pigs towards women, committing violent acts against women and Queers? That's acceptable though isn't it..."
    1. nice way to make assumptions, how very open and understanding . </sarcasm> jokes aside never said that, on a human level i.e. being a human i believe that you are retarded if you can not control yourself. thats a different scene, where i live its a "gay pride parade" people bring familys. its not like the cops show up every year throwin tear gas arresting everyone they can, beat the crap out of all of them. if i went with like 5000 guys with signs and stuff not even being violent, with signs and chants like, fuck the pigs, you pig dog americans, bastard capatalists, there would be cops, there would be arrests and beatings every time, wouldnt be sighting 3 cases from years ago id be everytime its been tried. atleast in my area. + everyone gets bullied in school never gonna be able to change that, sure there should be bigger punishment for harrasment but w.e.
     
  20. Wooly

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    Oh how far downhill this thread has gone.....
     
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