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Sects and extremism/integrism in an anarchist society

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by ungovernable, Jun 1, 2010.

  1. punkmar77

    punkmar77 Experienced Member Uploader Experienced member


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    !!!!DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!!!! oooops did I say that out loud.....
     
  2. ungovernable

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    Well, the concept of a god is totally incompatible with anarchism, i mean how the hell can you believe and accept that a supreme authority while being anti-authoritarian and how can you accept the face that someone is higher, better and superior than everyone else while believing in equality... Even if god existed, he would be our biggest enemy, even worse than a government, the class system or the social inequality...

    And anyway if you are not religious, then you should get rid of what the inventions and lies of the religion : god, creationism, etc...

    :lmao: and death to anarchists !! JIHAD !!! ALLAH AKH'BAR !!! There is no god but allah and his prophet mohammed !! Kill everyone who's against that !!
     
  3. Protspecd

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    Hmm I guess so. If he did exist, imagine the revolution in heaven, would be kinda awesome to be a part of =P
     
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    A sect planning a mass suicide, I'm not going to turn to violence because I'm not willing to murder them. A sect planning a mass murder, round them up and throw them in cages and kill them if you have to. Suicide is the individuals right, murder is an act of aggression and violence is appropriate if necessary to defend against the murder.

    The thought and speech policing in this thread makes me very nervous though and it seems to stink of arrogance. Just because someones beliefs are wrong, does not make you better then them. Just because you may be smarter, does not make you better.
     
  5. ungovernable

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    Mass suicide is mass murder when you brainwash the peoples into thinking they HAVE to kill themselves, smartbass.

    Who said using violence equals to wanting to kill them ?

    :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

    But you are against violence to control guns, even if the guns are in the hands of serial killers, psychopaths, neo-nazis, racists, violent persons, etc.... (which would equal to defending ourselves against murder). How fucking contradictory.

    You still didn't answer the questions and you keep dodging the real issue. How the fuck can you tolerate jihadist extremists who want to kill all infidels ? Your theories are so stupid that you'd even let them buy the guns to kill us !!! And what about all the others given example ??

    Seriously bgrass, you are pathetic. And definatly not an anarchist. Your "anarchist" society would be full of guns, religious fanatics and sects. And everyone wanting to live a peaceful life without the shit of the society would be called an authoritarian owning other peoples. That's definatly not anarchism.
     
  6. bgrass

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    The world will always be full of guns, religious fanatics and sects. I just don't want to use violence against the ones that aren't hurting anyone because I have no authority to control who owns guns and control what people think when they aren't hurting anyone or threatening to hurt anyone. How unanarchistic of me.

    And Jihadists (who are planning violence), nazis (who are planning violence), mass murders, psycopaths (who have harmed others or are a threat to others) and other people with violent histories or are planning violence are fair game. They are the aggressors or immediate threats of aggression, so using violence to defend against them is not immoral nor an act of aggression. I thought I've made it clear what my position is. Defensive violence ok, aggressive violence is not.
     
  7. ungovernable

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    No, YOU don't have the authority to control who owns guns. THE PEOPLE UNITED have the authority to.

    K, so i got it now, i will be allowed to own nuclear bombs, anthrax, agent orange, tanks, war machine guns, rocket launchers, napalm, i will be allowed to spread OGM everywhere and start a new capitalist money to screw your anarchist society, and i will be allowed to, cos you don't have the authority to control me, and you don't have the authority to control my weapons.

    You are right. That's true anarchism in action.
    Actually it's true anarchism in action, as the media refer to.
     
  8. bgrass

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    Why am I, the non anarchist, always arguing against controlling other people and you, the real anarchist, is trying to justify controlling other people. You only have authority over yourself and no one else.
     
  9. ungovernable

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    Answer the question. Stop dodging the real facts.
     
  10. punkmar77

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    Are you fuckin' serious? round them up and put them in cages and kill them? Your ideas are whack and sound very much like the rhetoric that Tea Party Patriots are crying about. Nobody is saying they are better than you or smarter than you, we are just saying study anarchism before you shoot your mouth off half cocked and argue things you haven't informed yourself about.....for instance anarchists are against prisons and Anarchist Black Cross is entirely devoted to prison reform. I don't expect you to understand these things from birth, but I would hope that you would make the effort to educate yourself a little bit instead of assuming you know what we're all about and arguing endlessly like a willful child.
     
  11. t-bag

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    I agree completely,Personal Religion is a beautiful Thing. However organized religion is nothing more then legalized brainwashing.
     
  12. AtomicKhaos

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    PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS THE PROBLEM

    no matter where you go. no matter what you do.

    so you have to learn to compromise. one kid wants to riot, the other wants peaceful protest.

    do you kick the kid out b/c he doesnt want to resort to violence or vice versa?

    you people are still trying to make a society with RULES. thats NOT an anarchist's way of doing things.
     
  13. Anxiety69

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    LOL you obviously don't understand anarchy then. it's not going to be a free for all.
     
  14. ungovernable

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    Your example is fucking stupid. No one will force anybody to use violence.

    I have said and i will repeat again that the positions of a community and the way to act should be decided by the majority.

    And obviously you have a big misunderstanding of what is the "anarchist's way of doing things".
     
  15. AtomicKhaos

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    how is my example fucking stupid? if we have 'pacifists' and 'pro-violence' societies.

    and this forum is about FORCING your shit on people. fuckin noob
     
  16. ungovernable

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    Saying anarchists would force other peoples to be violent is fucking stupid, yes.

    Pacifists will do the things the way they want in their societies, and pro-violent will do the things the way they want in their societies. As simple as that.

    Definatly, you are an idiot...

    We are not forcing anything on anybody.

    :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
     
  17. AtomicKhaos

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    this is coming from the person who said that they did not believe in free speech from their enemies. im not going to waste my time arguing with you ungov. not because you think i do not know what i am talking about, because you really dont care what i have to say.

    i will correct myself in the reguard of "this TOPIC" not "THIS FORUM" is about forcing your shit on people.

    and for all of you who assume that i dont know a fucking thing. run into 21 foot taper ass first please
     
  18. AtomicKhaos

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    oh, and the truth of the matter, in anarchist societies is not a majority vote. if someone doesnt agree with your views, they simply ignore you or move on to somewhere else.

    for people to "vote" means you have an establishment of government.
     
  19. ungovernable

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    Hate speech is not free speech.

    We are not forcing anything on anybody since we let the people decide. If they don't want to disallow free speech for the neo-nazis then it's fine, no one are going to force them

    Nah, this topic is about preventing sects from killing themselves and other hateful religions from harming other peoples. Looks like you can't read.

    This is a FACT. You don't know shit of what you are talking about.

    ahahahahahahaha.... once again, you understand nothing of anarchism.

    this is a common misunderstanding of anarchism to think that voting is against anarchism, while direct democracy and votes is one of the fundamental principles of anarchism.

    You confuse votes and elections. Anarchists are against elections but not against votes. Anarchists are against democracy but not against direct democracy.

    Just curious, how old are you ? How long have you been an anarchist ? Did you ever read any anarchist philosophy ? Be honest please.
     
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