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Pentagon tightens supremacist ban after SPLC urging

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by punkmar77, May 14, 2010.

  1. dwtcos

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    Well my name is Jack and so we can probably come to the conclusion that it was my secret identity.....
    But honestly, he was just some asshat. No one ever REALLY knows who someone is on a messageboard (unless, of course, they know each other in reality).
    He is probably still trolling the boards and he's probably masturbating to this post since I dropped his name in it :lmao:
     
  2. ungovernable

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    That's because of stupid careless ideas like your's that nazi germany happenned, it's also because of peoples like you that a dictator like franco took power in Spain, it's also because of peoples like you that Mussolini took the power in italy.

    All those peoples thought it would never happen, too. A few years ago, all the peoples in russia thought it would be impossible that the nazis become so many

    You are so ignorant and careless, i can't believe you still pretend to be an anarchist.

    Nobody said that they are representative of the armed forces, this is another invention of your's to dodge the main topic.

    I thought everyone was supposed to have the same rights, and that we shouldnt make repression on groups of individuals just because of their ideas ? You are still contradicting yourself

    Yes it does, YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AGAIN. You never explained us why you tolerate that nazis are banned from here and why we couldnt do the same in anarchist communities.

    This website is a community. In an anarchist community, the peoples decide themselves through direct democracy. We decided to disallow nazi propaganda.
    IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING IN REAL LIFE, this website is organized the same way we would organize a real-life anarchist community. If censorship can be tolerated here it can be tolerated in real-life communities working the same way.

    You don't know what to answer again. And AGAIN you refuse to question yourself because you are persuaded to detain the truth.

    Yes, since they are not getting free speech.

    Once again you refer to law terms. Funny, for an anarchist.

    So your point it that we can violate freedom of speech on internet but we can't violate the same freedom of speech in self-managed real life anarchist communities ? What a contradiction !

    And don't refer to law terms again or talk about private propriety, or i will piss in my pants of laughting to see an anarchist use those capitalist terms so often!!

    Peoples who doesnt care about you and wait until the problem is so large that we can't organize a resistance contribute to make the problem grow bigger and bigger... You are so stupid and careless that the day you will wake up and realize we have to fight, it will be TOO LATE.

    Your mentality makes me puke, you think we need to wait until an ethnic cleansing is possible in the near future before acting. Even if the nazis doesn't take power they still do a lot of damage. They spread hate everywhere, they kill peoples and commit other racist crimes, they brainwash the children, etc... AND IF A REVOLUTION COME THEY WILL BE THE FIRST TO KILL US.

    ONE nazi is already too many.

    wow you don't know what to answer again, you are so pathetic. just admit you are wrong, you can't even defend your point of view.

    WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE ENOUGH TO MAKE AN IMMINANT COUP. If we wait until this point, IT WILL BE TOO LATE !!!!!!!!

    When racist supremacists makes murder and other racist crimes, IT IS ALREADY ENOUGH TO ACT, THE PROBLEM IS ALREADY BIG ENOUGH.

    You will never learn anything, you are a lost cause. You are a waste of time, anyway you know everything and we know nothing. 400 posts and i never seen you say a single time that you were wrong, nor did i see you a single time consider other's argument. Then you talk about questionning everything and questionning yourself, hahaha


    Jack is already way more intelligent than you and NGNM85 and at least he know what he's talking about, so shut up. He was way more interessing to read than both of you.
     
  3. Anxiety69

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    no reason to stir up past drama. :ecouteurs:
     
  4. SurgeryXdisaster

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  5. dwtcos

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    Really? Really?! Your a bully. I hope you're defenestrated. This is really the last of this I can take. I joined a community for anarchist punks to find a bit of acceptance (a punk looking for acceptance, what?!). I was prepared for debates of all sorts, but ridicule wasn't something I was looking for. I came here for a bit of release and ideological overlap, but really you have just reminded me of a bully at school using anarchy as a front, and that is not what I hop on the interwebz to find.
    Farewell A-P.net, you've served me well...sort of. Maybe I will come back after the inevitable rise to power and overthrow of Ungovernable :)
    I understand that Ungovernable will probably respond to this with some sort of "good riddance fake anarchist ignorant." but I'm really just doing this for my own good. I don't want to be bullied, so I'm leaving.
     
  6. Probe

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    aw...cmon...now i'm the youngest again....

    EDIT: I just noticed that a couple ofposts earlier...I said "another agreement? "
    what I meant was "another argument?" ;)
     
  7. Protspecd

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    Don't leave the site man. Just ignore the posts made by Ungovernable that you find offensive and continue on with reading other posts and writing your own. Don't let a run-in with one member stop you from expressing your views. But in the end it isn't my decision and if you decide to leave, then I will say Goodbye.
     
  8. AtomicKhaos

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    when the time comes. stand your ground.
     
  9. punkmar77

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    Can everyone please agree to respect the post and keep it on topic? We keep doing this over and over and over..... :S
     
  10. Protspecd

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    Agreed, for an anarchist forum, there is way too much hate against each other.
     
  11. Anxiety69

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    As a mod i would be more then happy to make seperate threads for posts once they splinter of topic, if you would like me too.
     
  12. ungovernable

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    Hahahahaahha you are so angry.... just because i told you someone is more interessing than you

    You are leaving ? Really ? What a good new!! Get the fuck out! And i hope your friend NGNM85 follows you. And no, don't come back.

    It's funny how you talk about freedom of speech for everyone but you leave the website because i use this freedom of speech you are supposed to give to everyone, HAHAAHAHA

    This is not a "rise of power" lol, i haven't even used my "power", i haven't even talked about banning or silencing you or NGNM85, now you are just making shitty accusations and lies. Since when having and expressing an opinion is a "rise of power" ??

    When is NGNM85's turn ???

    *wave goodbye to nazi hugger*

    It's funny how you can say someone is an "asshat", "trolling the board", "masturbating on this post", but you don't accept to be told that he is more interessing than you. This is the freedom of speech you were talking about, eh i mean ONE-WAY freedom of speech ? Well it's worth shit !
     
  13. NGNM85

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    I knew it was a matter of time before you retroactively blamed me for the holocaust. Y'know you're right, it's all my fault.

    The two situations aren't remotely comperable. There ISN'T any likelihood of a neo-nazi coup in the US.

    You are so ignorant and careless, i can't believe you still pretend to be an anarchist.


    Actually, Punkmar did, and so did you.


    There's no contradiction, it's just too subtle for you.

    Actually, I explained it several times;

    Twice, in the “New Mods” thread:

    “It's amazing to me that you still have such a tenuous grasp on the concept of "freedom of speech." This is a private forum, nobody's entitled to post here. They can ban whoever they want.”

    “Again, it's not censorship, this is a private website. There is no free speech issue, I have no complaints with the policy.”

    And at least twice in the “Anarchist Philosopher” thread:

    “My house is my own private little space, just as is yours, etc., etc. You can do whatever you want there, within reason. If I were to come into your home I would be required to respect you and your things, to not come in unless invited, to leave when asked, etc. However, the public sphere belongs to everybody. I can tell you what I will tolerate in my own private home, but forcing the general population what they cannot do in their public lives is a much taller order. That's a different standard.”

    “...Again,when they're in my living room, I can set the rules, that's it, that's not an infringement on free expression.”

    I know you won’t understand this, but regardless… While we may pick mods and make an effort to govern by consensus, which is very cool BTW, this is not a public space.

    This website belongs to the mods or whoever pays the bills. They have the right to dictate what content will or won’t appear and I think have been very reasonable in that regard. It’s not censorship.

    China restricting everybody’s access to the web, or the Russian government banning all broadcasts the government doesn’t like; THAT is censorship.

    It’s the same for neo-nazis trying to join the armed forces. Frankly, I don’t think there should be much need for an army because I don’t think there should be any nation-states. However, disallowing neo-nazis to enlist is not repression. Joining the military is not a right.

    “Capitalist terms” is like “Jewish physics.”

    That’s not what I said at all. I said we should take action, just not what you’re suggesting.

    If they hurt or kill someone there must obviously be repercussions. However, you’re suggesting using violence against people who haven’t done anything except talk or write.

    Actually, I did.

    Again, I never suggested we do nothing. You made that up.

    Actually, I admitted I was wrong on the “Fav. Punk Bands Thread” when I was talking to Anxiety;
    “I was unaware that they had been on epic for awhile..”& “I already conceded that my original statement was incorrect..”
    I have to consider opposing arguments every time I respond to them. In your case I’ve shown an excess of patience in explaining myself and answering some of the most absurd accustions.
     
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    what the fuck is jewish physics? are you making a racist comment now?
     
  15. drumdestroyer15

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    Ok, so we should wait until they are 50% of the army before acting?

    I will repeat myself again : only a dozens of them can be extremely dangerous. You don't need 100 nazis to do harm, only 5-6 of them can take action and make a lot of damage.

    They are fanatics.

    Your mentality is as stupid as saying that al-quaida and the other terrorists aren't a threat because they are a minority and they are not a lot of peoples.

    But i remind you that 9/11 was caused by only a dozen of fanatics. You don't need an army to do a lot of damage, just a few fanatics ready to take action.

    Anyway don't forget, you are supposed to be careless about neo-nazis extremists because they have the freedom of speech.
     
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  17. NGNM85

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    The term is originally antisemitic, but I wasn't using it that way. It comes from Nazi party literature. I'm sort of reiterating Chomsky, who was criticizing postmodernist criticism of "white male science", saying there is no such thing, just as there is no "Jewish physics." I was saying "Capitalist language" is equally absurd.
     
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    okay well i kept trying to qoute a text and it didn;t work, my question was. ungovernable . . . . how do you think the U.S. government would not want or stand to beneifit from 9/11??????? not a shot either i'm asking your reasoning???????????
     
  19. ungovernable

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    You really don't understand anything, and you keep putting words in my mouths.

    What part of "peoples LIKE you" you don't understand ?

    I'm saying that you are committing the same errors than the peoples who didn't do anything because they thought the nazis, the mussolini fascists, and franco were not a threat because they represented 1% of the population.

    BUT THERE WASN'T ANY LIKEHOOD OF A NEO-NAZI COUP IN GERMANY BEFORE ADOLF HITLER TOO. This is the point i'm trying to explain, but you never understand anything.

    There isn't any likehood of a nazi coup in russia either, are you saying that what is happenning in russia is not a big problem and we shouldn't react ?

    By the way, there are many neo-nazis militias and neo-nazis who want to make an armed revolution, i wouldn't say there isn't a possibility that they will try to make a coup d'etat.

    Anyway, a coup d'etat is far from being the only problem they can cause. Even in small numbers they can murder a lot of peoples and keep spreading hate. But you don't care, you call that "freedom of speech"

    Wow, you are a real JOKE

    of course this is incompatible with what you said earlier.

    If yelling "fire!" in a crowded movie theater is emotional impact, then all hate speech is also emotional impact. Yelling "fuck all jews, hail hitler" in a jew community is emotional impact, and so is yelling racist slogans and hate propaganda in a black community. Sexism, homophobia, racism, nazism and fascism is all emotional impact. HATE is emotional impact.

    WOW !!!! YOU ARE FINALLY ADMITTING THAT FREE SPEECH HAS LIMITS !!!! How funny!!! You argued during 20 pages to say that limiting free speech would be fascist and authoritarian, and that breaking someone's freedom of speech would be breaking everyone's free speech... what a joke!!

    Oh so now we are gonna be the police of words ??

    It's not as black and white as you think. Words like "hail hitler", "sieg heil" are obvious direct referrences to the apology of nazism, so it is a threat, but not a direct expression of an intention like your example.

    It's disgusting how you always speak in law terms, you talk like a fucking lawyer man. You always refer to the laws of the capitalist system, you base your morale on the established laws, that's definatly not anarchist. The distinction you make with your rule is totally the same thing as the current law system with death threats and all.

    You are lying and putting words in ppl mouth again. POST QUOTE OR SHUT UP.

    You dodge the argument again, just say you don't know what to answer.

    Yes you contradict yourself. You pretend everyone should have the same rights but you also say that neo-nazis shouldn't be allowed to be part of the army.

    You also didn,t answer me on the other topic (another proof that you are lying when you say you answered all of my questions) when i asked you if the nazis should be allowed to build their own school and brainwash the children like they are doing in America (like the national front are doing) and in France (there's a documentary about a nazi school brainwashing children



    I answered you but you ignored me like the fascist you are.

    THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE FORUM, THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM.

    Your house is not a community.

    Funny again to see how you are a fake anarchist supporting private proprety.

    Yes this is a public space, this forum is open from everyone, this is the same thing as a real life anarchist community

    You are a fucking idiot, you keep talking in terms of private proprety again and you keep basing yourself on the current law system.

    THIS WEBSITE IS PUBLIC, and this website belongs to EVERYONE WHO IS PART OF IT based on the anarchist principles of self-management by the community itself. No the mods doesn't dictate anything, THE COMMUNITY DOES. Same thing with an anarchist society.

    You obviously don't know what to answer, just shut up, you are a capitalist

    Only saying you disagree isn't taking actions, it isn't stopping the fascists. The protests before nazi germany didn't stop hitler. Read my fucking signature. The only thing that could have stopped them is kicking the shit out of them, not hippy protests saying "we disagree but we allow you to have your freedom of speech and spread your hate all accross the country" like you want to do.

    And again you talk in law terms.

    Don't you understand that you are attacking THE CONSEQUENCES instead of attacking THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM ? This is definatly not a revolutionnary attitude.

    SAYING YOU DISAGREE AINT GOING TO STOP ANYTHING, Hippy protests never stopped any fascists or any dictator, it's not doing anything.


    YOU ARE A SHAME FOR THE ANARCHIST MOVEMENT, it's peoples like you who makes us sound ridiculous
     
  20. ungovernable

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    If this site is a private proprety and that the mods dictate what they want and you find it is normal, then it would be normal if the moderators decide to ban you ?

    like you said:
    i pay the bills, so i can ban you ??