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Then that's not freedom of speech.

Anarchists are allowed to tag anarchy signs everywhere, but not their ennemies ??? That's fucking hypocrisy

And stop talking about private proprety, now YOU sound like a fucking fake anarchist.

A popular anarchist slogan says "empty walls - speechless peoples" this means that anarchists encourage tagging and other arts in the public space AND private proprety.

So basically, you say anarchists are allowed to tag anarchy symbols on public space, but not their ennemies. THATS NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THATS ONE-WAY FREEDOM. You contradict yourself.

So, you agree that in an anarchist society we would allow White Power concerts for the blood and honour with nazi crowds and bands like Skrewdriver playing hate songs and doing Sieg Heil on the stage ??

And you also think that peoples who oppose to this break their freedom of speech, so we are fake anarchists??

Please answer the question and confirm.

So the RASH skinheads, bands like oi polloi, the antifa groups, and everyone who are against nazi gigs are fake anarchists, they are fascists and authoritarian ??

You said i might be a fascist because i have the same ideas as the spanish revolution, the commune of paris, first international, makhnovtchina, etc...

So i will re-formulate:

You think that all examples of anarchism in action and anarchist revolution (including but not limited to : commune of paris, first international, makhnovtchina, anarchist squats, spanish revolution, kronsdadt sailors, etc etc etc) are acting like fascists and authoritarians, therefore they are not true anarchiste, and all anarchists in the history are fake anarchists (since you failed to provide an example of anarchists not censoring their ennemies) since anarchists doesn't act like fascists

You think the counter-revolution doesn't exist in a revolution ? You are an ignorant.

Secondly, it's not 19th century thinking, some of the examples i quoted still exist today, and even today THEY ARE NOTGIVING FREE SPEECH TO THEIR ENNEMIES.

Nothing has changed between 19th century and 21st century, the fascists are still the same and a revolution still has ennemies.

You still don't understand that it's because of racist propaganda that peoples start to commit hate crimes. Just like the turner diaries inspired many murders.

Once again you didn't answer my question:

"To be a true anarchist, you must give the freedom of speech for nazis to organize and make groups like the Ku Klux Klan, the american nazi party, the national alliance, etc.... You must also tolerate the bourgeoisie and the capitalists to express themselves and build new capitalist political partys against the revolution..... (and then you will be surprised when they organize a counter-revolutionnary army like the nationalist camp in the spanish revolution). Nazis are allowed to do public speech and say they want to see all black peoples dead and say the gas chambers never existed (like the KKK was doing), this is what you call freedom of speech. And those who would oppose to fascist propaganda would be fascists. Is it true ?"


So in an anarchist society, you think we should tolerate the KKK, the nazi party, the national alliance, the blood & honour, and all nazis organisations ?

Then once they are enough peoples to build an army and take back the power, then only at this moment it will be the time to react (and lose, because it's too late)

You are now talking in law terms, that's disgusting for someone who pretend to be an anarchist.

So now, there are limitation to your so called free speech ? I thought free speech applied for anyone and everyone, for any circumstances ??

Disinformation is always a threat.

I said and i'll say it again that this should NEVER be tolerated inside anarchist communities. If they want to hold this kind of disinformation speech, then they should be kicked out and they should go say their speech with the nazis and other fascists, ELSEWHERE.

Anarchists communes have social contracts, and social contracts always oppose to fascist propaganda.

In france, the neo-nazis have opened schools to teach the childrens a different version of the history. They teach them the gas chambers never existed, that the nazis were good peoples and the resistance were the bad peoples, etc etc etc... Those childrens are all brainwashed. A journalist recently made a documentary on this school and about the neo nazi movement and everything was filmed...
So your point of view is that those peoples are free to brainwash the children and teach them hate values, because it is what you call "freedom of speech"

You said it's easy to prove them wrong because meny evidences exist but at this age you can't know...

It is false to say that the neo nazis have no political reprisentation, there is a lot of nazi partys and other political organisations

and nazis might be 1% of the population, but the racists are WAY MORE popular. Nazis is just the worst of all.

And history teached us that 1% of the population can easily become the majority of the population without you even notice. That's what happenned in 1942. And this is what is happenning now in russia.

wow then you are a fucking big idiot, you are probably the most stupid pseudo-anarchist i ever talked to.

I will repeat it again: YOU SHARE THE GUILT OF ALL THE HATE CRIMES BASED ON TURNER'S DIARIES WITH THOSE WHO COMMITTED THE MURDERS, BECAUSE YOU SUPPORT AND YOU DEFEND THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH

There is NO PLACE for this kind of bullshit into anarchist communities.

Fuck off man, there are many topics here about repression against anarchism and i don't see you defending them, you prefer to defend your fascist friends because you are a nazi hugger. You didn't make 20 pages of argumentation to defend the 6 anarchists who were emprisonned in belgrade recently, nor did you defend the freedom of speech of the anarchist repression in belgrade.

Yes you are guilty of those murders because you defend those who provoked them. Just like the peoples who supported the Nazi Party freedom of speech in 1942 share the guilt of the holocaust

You don't even have the balls to make a direct answer.

Yes, you believe the nazis are free to organize themselves into hate political groups, they are free to make the political partys of today's new government, and on top of all we DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT to fight against them or else we are fascists and authoritarians who destroy freedom of speech

You didn't answer the question.

Organized religions like chruches and the vatican doesn't "unjustifiably infriges on the rights of others" so this means that in your fake anarchist society, christians would be allowed to have their chruches and the vatican would still be here, no religions would be abolished, etc...

So since peoples who volounteerly want a capitalism system aren't infriging other's right, they would have the right to rebuild capitalism system, with money, bosses, bourgeoisies, big multinationals, McDonald's, wal-mart, etc ??? Right ??

I don't want to defeat religion, i want to defeat organized religions. And yes, you destroy religions by force, just like how you destroy capitalism.

Capitalism is also very hard to defeat because there is a lot of peoples who believe in it, just like religion. So you think capitalism will be abolished by building schools and not by violence ?? It's the same thing.

Yes, you are a hippy.

You said many times that you don't think a revolution can be achieved by violence in the western civilization, you are against violence and you believe for freedom of speech for everyone. You also believe the capitalists and the fascists have the right to build political partys and build the future governments.

yes i know enough about you to say you are not a real anarchist, you are a fucking idiot, a nazi hugger, a capitalist who love private propriety, an idiot who would use the police to fight against his ennemies, an ignorant who say all examples of anarchist revolutions acted like authoritarians and fascists, a moron who see fascism everywhere, etc...

Hahahaha good luck trying to convice everyone their god doesn't exist and that they should destroy the chruches, mr. hippy.

The battle is for their children ? Education ? You believe in freedom of speech, don't forget that if their parents doesn,t like your education system they can build their own schools to brainwash the childrens like they are doing in France. They can even educate their childrens alone and brainwash them, like the National Alliance are doing. THATS CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH, don't forget, you believe you can't opposite to it.

That's only limited to the few provided examples ? FEW EXAMPLES ? I provided a list of ALL the most notorious anarchist revolutions.

I also said I DEFY YOU TO FIND ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE WHERE THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH OF THE FASCISTS WAS NOT BROKE. And you failed. You were never able to provide ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE of anarchism in action where freedom of speech was given to the fascists. You are an hippy who live in an imaginary world, you probably never participated to an anarchist project, you probably never been part of an anarchist organization. Or else you would understand that NOBODY tolerate freedom of speech for the fascists.

And what do you base yourself on to say it's not consistent with anarchism ?

Almost ZERO anarchist theoricians support freedom of speech for the fascists. And don't quote noam chomsky, he's not an anarchist. That's another question you failed to answer. You can't even provide one single theory of anarchism where freedom of speech is given to the fascists.

You keep saying that freedom of speech for everyone is a concept of anarchism, but that's just a CLICHÉ

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So you finally admit that you live alone in your imaginary world, you finally admit that you can't find ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE of anarchism where lies and propaganda by their ennemies was tolerated.

That's exactly what i said: you are an irrealistic hippy who can only write shitty unrealistic theories, and worst of all is that you know you have no historical exemples to back up your thoughts on.

Wow man, when peoples ask you "is it possible to realize an anarchist society" what do you tell them ? You don't even have a single exemple to provide them !!! in over 2000 years, NOBODY was able to achieve your society.... When will you realize that it is IMPOSSIBLE ??

Or you are just a fucking idiot who think he have the right to speak but you don,t care about other's point of view.

Why the fuck did you register on a DEBATE forum if you refuse to argument with others, and consider their opinion ? I thought anarchism was about questionning yourself ? No matter, you are acting like a fascist anyway



Another question you have not answered.

You think that one's freedom of speech is everyone's freedom of speech. You can't break someone's freedom of speech without breaking everyone's freedom of speech. If you defend someone's freedom of speech (even if he's the worst of the assholes on earth) you are defending everyone's freedom of speech and not defending his freedom of speech.
So what about prisons ? Why don't you fight for the liberation of racist murderers ? After all, anarchists are against prisons. And you wouldn't be defending the murderer's freedom but everybody's freedom.
Freedom is a whole, just like freedom of speech...

 

No you don't agree with this text, you are a fucking liar and an idiot

You think the nazis and the fascists have the right to organize and have their own platforms.

You said that you agree that nazis should have their own political partys, their own organization, their own platforms, etc.. You don't make the distinction between the right to talk and the right to organize.

The text say there are very limited occasions where you can limit this freedom of speech. You pretend that if we start to limit freedom of speech, you will be the next. You also pretend that if you break someone's freedom of speech, you break everyone's freedom of speech.

You believe that the turner's diaries is freedom of speech, well this is exactly a fascist platform, the nazis organize around it, the book is a "fascist revolution how-to". And you defend their right to express themselves.

and more importantly, this point which you are totally contradictory with:

You said multiple times that we must not smash the small groups because it is easier to counter them when they are public, you said that the real threat is when they go underground, etc..

You also said that you think the nazis are allowed to get together, organize, they are allowed to have their own concerts and events, they are allowed to have political partys, etc...

YOU ARE CONTRADICTORY, SOOO MUCH CONTRADICTORY.

You are a real big joke.... Shame of anarchism !