Religous views

You're just being rude and refusing to consider any opinion other than your own, regardless of facts. You haven't really provided any arguments, only senseless proclamations that you refuse to back with logical explanation. You've contributed nothing to this discussion, and resort to copying articles instead of personal revelation and logic. That's not intelligent debate, that's just typical self-righteous internet anarchist behavior.

Carry on screaming and fist-shaking, I'm just going to ignore any encounters we may have in the future.

 

It's funny how you accuse me of being a pagan, just because I understand it's concept. And about atheism I just think it's funny that people throw the term around yet don't understand it's true meaning, what you refer to is religious atheism, which I can understand but don't totally buy into. I don't see how religion has much to do with anything.

Ungovernable I never insulted you, I pointed out how your actions were sounding, which to me should only sound like an accusation if it ha some truth to it.

I think it's funny how you think only in absolutes, that there is no gray areas only your opinions. Like I have said before I respect difference of opinion, and I respect that you and I disagree. But you know it is a big world out there, and if you actually expect the world to exist with no religious beliefs, then you are in for a major disappointment. What we need people to understand is that people can be free to believe in what they wish as long as it is not imposing upon others, and as long as they don't have to kill anyone for it. If you try to take away peoples right to believe in something then there will be a lot of deaths wars and nothing will change, that is why most of the worlds wars already exist.

I agree that religion is one of the biggest plagues of man kind, but you must understand that it will be nearly impossible for the world to not have beliefs what-so-ever.

You said a lot of other stuff that I don't see worth my time responding to.

But one other thing you said that I said... man this is pointless... but anyway... I asked if the stress of needing a new server might be putting you on edge, because I want to understand why you have been so irate lately when you weren't in your earlier posts months ago. And if you don't want people to donate to help you out why is there things all over the site asking people to, and if you want people to bad enough to put things all over the site asking people to, then why are you needlessly bashing people on the forum... I mean shouldn't you be a good example?

I don't have anything against you, I really don't, and on many things I agree with you, but to call someone stupid or a nazi because they believe in something is out of line, and then to get pissed off like big cry baby when people point it out is even worse. Why can't you admit that you don't know shit about paganism, and that you had a bad experience, which is why you responded the way you did. But no you put generalizations on things and apply a small minority group to billions of people world wide. That is like saything that because Hitler was a Jew that all Jews are nazi (can you see how retarded of an arguement that you make?).

I don't really see a point in continuing in this debate. Also if you think you have bashed my beliefs in all this you haven't since you haven't even bothered to ask why mine are.

Oh also you are anti-racist, and hate anyone that seems to show any racism... did you realize that one of the biggest critisizisms of Emma Goldman is that she is racist... which though I love her writing and a lot of her ideals, I am often times cautious to quote her... just saw irony in that and thought I would mention it.

There is a time and a place for everything, and to abolish religion all-together will take a lot of patience and understanding, you must nurture people to your side not beat them into believing you are correct.

 

wow i finaly some arguing going around here haha

 

I think he means from your perspective. To get what you want, abolishing all religions, *you* need to understand why they believe in their religion and then carefully nurture them to your way of thinking rather than abusing them into your beliefs. Think he was just telling you a better way of persuasion.

Could be wrong though, that is how I read it anyways.

 

Do you really expect me to read every word you've posted after you clearly assumed that all pagans were Nazis, and then later decided to backtrack on those statements? You rambled about not reading fascist garbage or anything that you don't agree with, but you're whining because I'm adopting the same approach? It's impossible to debate with someone who argues like a child with points that defy logic. You don't understand atheism, paganism, or religion, but you believe you're an authority. I really doubt you understand anarchism. It's something more than catchphrases, nifty patches, and fighting against anything that doesn't coincide with your juvenile mall-punk mentality. This is the last time I'm going to address or read anything you post on this website. I't's a shame that you're a moderator and I can't place you on the "ignore" list. The admin should take some time to rethink your position.

I'm done.

 

Paganism has been taken on by all kinds of people. From all walks of life someone may claim paganism. I can think of a few idiots that need to stop claiming anarchism.
Paganism has nothing to do with national socialist black metal bands. National socialist black metal bands THINK they have something to do with paganism. Paganism finds it's roots in early humanity, when we were void of domestication. Paganism's views of "gods" and "goddesses" were constructed to bring personalities to the world around them. Pagans worship the earth. I might not be fully pagan (but then again noone is) but I sure as fuck see that there is a gift in each sunrise and I'm fucking lucky to have the earth under my feet. We answer to nature's will and are at her whim. You might disagree that paganism has anything to do with anarchism...but isn't there a reason that our circled a's don't extend outside of the circle? There are ideas behind the a that extends past the lines of the circle, and there are ideas behind the ones kept inside. There IS WITHOUT A DOUBT a natural ORDER to the world...and we are at it's beckon. We as a whole might do terrible things to our planet and at somepoints may feel empowered, but we are weak, and our earth is strong. Not to be a dick, but alot of anarchists I've run into over the years, most of them pretty well educated...are atleast somewhat familiar with paganism. I'm not talking wicca or new wave bullshit. I'm not talking black metal nazi's. I'm not talking the 13 year old that spouts off about practicing magic, and I'm not talking about the 13 year old that spouts off about chaos when he speaks of anarchism. We aren't stupid, and I don't think you are either. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to understand that paganism, in it's purest forms, offers us no oppression and does not bind us to dogmatic practices, rather, gives the world around us a personality so that it's actions may be better interepreted by our petty, small brains.

 

I wish people on this site would stop teenagers synonomously(sp?) with immature ignoramuses =_=

 

The nazi's stole an imporant pagan symbol, it never had any roots in that sort of ideaology. That would be like claiming I'm guilty of a hate crime because someone took my knife I use to cut my food to kill a black man.

 

Since we have some bright teens among us here to prove that kind of comments to be plain wrong, i definately agree. Can't feel all that fun for them.

 

I removed that contradictory sentence due to my poor choice of words, but it still holds truth. No, I don't accept the label of "atheist" and I'm open to thought about "God", but my personal opinions follow the thought Albert Einstein (you quote him), and by definition I am an atheist. God is not a being, it's a romantic description for the universe we're apart of.

I'm not going to read the rest of your gibberish, I just wanted to correct myself for other people reading this discussion.

 

Capitalism is our enemy. Fascism is our enemy. The state is our enemy. The government is our enemy. The select few, elite rich families that control this world ARE OUR ENEMY.
The earth, is not our enemy. Peaceful, earth centered worships based on furthering our understanding of the world around us and what WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS A BETTER WORLD, is not our enemy. Of all the anarchists that have adopted a love for our planet and everything it has given us, of all of the anarchists that respect the animals on this planet and choose not to eat them, and of all of the anarchists that chain themselves to trees, cement themselves in the ground, and dig up logging roads to PROTECT THE WORLD AROUND US...YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE OUR GOAL TO MAKE SURE THEIR STRIFE WASN'T IN VAIN, AND THAT OUR OWN ACTIONS TAKEN TO BETTER THIS WORLD WOULD NOT BE SQUANDERED AWAY BY IDEALISTIC VIEWS ABOUT WHAT IS AND IS NOT OK WITH YOU. For all that have given their lives and their love of this planet to better it...I thank you.

Why are you an anarchist, is it because you believe in the posibility of bettering this world through consensus and cooperation and the decentralization of state, wealth, and power? Or is it because you just don't want to be told what to do?

how do you feel about communes? walk into one, if you know where one's at...I sure as fuck do...and see how many anarchist pagans you find.

 

IF YOU TWO CANT COME TO AGREE ON ANYTHING STOP FUCKING ARGUING!!! NOONE IS PERSUADING THE OTHER TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS ABOUT WHAT THEY BELIEVE ANYWAYS!!!!!!!!!!

IF THE MAN WANTS TO BE A PAGAN, LET HIM. IS HE OUT KILLING MINORITIES? IS HE APART OF THE STATE OR THE GOVERNMENT? IS HE A COP? NO (assuming he isnt). NOW I PERSONALLY DISAGREE BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE IF HE IS STILL A KIND AND DECENT BEING (supposedly), I HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL HIM HIS WAY OF THINKING IS BULLSHIT (ON THIS ISSUE ANYWAYS)

I also feel that everyone on here has a different definition of "anarchy", anarchists and what they are supposed to believe in. But the one thing they have in common is that they dont judge other people of the same type of governmental thinking for 1 or 2 slightly different views.

Lets all be friends... means to an end