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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by colton_and, Apr 16, 2010.

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  1. JesusCrust

    JesusCrust Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Fuck it all, no matter how much good it does to a select few people, it still is the biggest, most corruptive, most fatal and violent plague to hit mankind, well, besides money.
     
  2. ungovernable

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    Paganism is bullshit, and i'm not basing this on a minority few but on a MAJORITY. Here in quebec (same with france) all pagans are ambigous or white power peoples.

    This dude also says he believe in an abrahamic god but yet you say nothing about this. The bakunin quote certainly apply. I repeat it doesn't have anything to do with anarchism. Please inform yourself about what abrahamic god is, and don't come tell me i'm 100% wrong when i say it has nothing to do with anarchism. Just like paganism.

    The one who doesn't know what he talks about is this dude because he affirm believing in a monotheist religion and then he talks about paganism. This is a big contradiction.

    This is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS, a big misinterpretation of what anarchist atheism is. Everything you quoted doesn't have anything to do with the religion

    This song has nothing to do with paganism, it's about hunting the rich instead of doing witchhunts.


    any kind of religion is stupid. it's a useless label for peoples who absolutly need to believe in something and more importantly peoples who have to be told HOW to believe. Paganism included.
     
  3. trashbastard

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    haha you said christanism
    all religion sucks as bad as christianity there is no god.
    enough said
     
  4. Rhube

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    First of all: I think you generalize far too much. There's no way you can know that ALL pagans in Quebec are that way. Quebec is a big place. Lots of people. I'm sure some of them are good people.

    Second of all: I don't see why this person's religion has to have anything to do with anarchism.
    Not all anarchists believe in the no-religion aspect of anarchy. It can be just about government. Religion isn't so evil when it's not forced on people.
     
  5. Rhube

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    Anyway, I myself am a Zen Buddhist.
    It's a non-theist religion that is fairly autonomous, and that's what I like about it. Nobody tells me what to think, there are no rules, I believe what I believe, and that's that.
     
  6. dwtcos

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    Who gives a shit if someone is practicing a pagan religion on their own time without trying to shove it down anyone else's throats? :ecouteurs:

    Honestly how is it going to interfere with your life? I for one am an atheist but I'm interested in learning about non-Abrahamic religions.
     
  7. Valsira

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    Athiest. I'm opposed to hierarchical religious institutions of course but I'm totally cool with any individual having their own religious beliefs. Much of the anarchist thought which has influenced my political beliefs is from the Christian Anarchist tradition so I do think that there can be a place for religion in an anarchist world.
     
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    Religion is the opio for miserables :ecouteurs:
     
  9. ungovernable

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    Anarchism and religion is a big contradiction, almost no one of the most famous theoricians of anarchism accepted the idea of a religion or a god. ESPECIALLY if we are talking about an "abrahamic god"

    This kind of beliefs is the source of all problem which the chruch and the christianism religion were built on. We must get rid of it

    Religion is for peoples who need something to believe in and to answer their questions, an authority to follow.

    Religion is the opium of the people.

    Personnal beliefs and organized religions aren't seperable... Do you really think that in an anarchist society the christians and other religious peoples won't get together to have cult places and to start building new chruches or similar shit ? As long as peoples will believe in stupid god they will continue to want to have cult places or chruches, they will still want to organize

    Plus religions are always the first ally of the bourgeoisie and the counter-revolution. Look what happenned in the spanish revolution
     
  10. Protspecd

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    See that kids? That's what we call ignorance.
     
  11. Axehandle Mountain

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    Ungovernable, you wear ignorance and illiteracy well.
     
  12. ungovernable

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    Shut up idiot if you can't bring up arguments, go back reading your conservative theories you brainless moron.

    Ok then i'm sorry about this, i really don't know why i have read that you believe in abrahamic god

    As for calling me an ignorant i don't know what to answer other than insults, maybe someday you will realize religious fools are counterrevolutionary whatever the religion is, maybe someday you will also realize your superb religion is full of nazis assholes believers.

    Actually it's not really surprising considering the fact that Adolf Hitler was a pagan.

    And then some funny dudes on this forum pretend that this religion is close of anarchism. So hitler was close of anarchism ?

    Anyway, you failed to explain why i am an ignorant
     
  13. Protspecd

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    If we don't understand our enemy, how are we supposed to fight them?
     
  14. Ferago

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    Agnostic. There could very well be a god of some kind for all I know. That has nothing to do with believing in man made gods, bibles and religions.

    To me, atheism is just a little to black and white. There's life on earth, how did it start? I don't know, and neither does any other human. I don't feel the need to take a 100% stance either way. It's just not something I'm all that concerned with.
     
  15. ungovernable

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    Oh ok, so you're saying we should also post nazi propaganda and hitler's book Mein Kampf on this forum, because "we need to understand it to fight it"

    Your arguments are full of shit, just like you.

    Your pro-capitalist conservative propaganda has nothing to do here, keep this bullshit for a liberal forum or maybe register on McKain forum.
     
  16. Protspecd

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    Whoa, bringing up your argument from another thread onto this one? Sure this post wasn't meant for the other thread?

    Never said we should also post Nazi propaganda or Hitler's book, stop putting words in my mouth. A guy posted his religious views on this thread, you replied and I replied to your reply. (REPLY RAWR)

    Ah sorry I see your point now. Sorry guys, don't post anything that is against Anarchism on this forum, even if you are against it yourself! Who needs to debunk the oppositions arguments when we can just talk ONLY about Anarchism. Sounds like an interesting forum *cough*.

    Edit: Ahh forgot to mention, I haven't actually read Mein Kampf but it may be an interesting read. Would be strange to be behind a man of such evil. But if you are like ungovernable, don't read it, if we go by the way he thinks you will be a Nazi if you do read it.
     
  17. ungovernable

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    There is scientific theories about big bang and darwin's theory of evolution. Much more elaborated than religious explainations that doesn't have any scientific arguments to back up on.

    Then why did you say "we must understand out ennemy to fight it" ? You're the one who bring the other subject on this topic

    Ok listen fucking moron, first i have read mein kampf before you even know what anarchism was about. The difference between me and you is that i won't bring up this nazi propaganda bullshit on an anarchist forum meant for uniting around our common points of unity.

    You just said in the other topic that everything is worth debating, even liberal and conservative propaganda. Yet you are only posting the propaganda without even trying to counter it, and on top of all you qualify it as an "interessing reading". That's not what i qualify "being against it", you're supporting it, you think it's interessing and worth sharing. The propaganda you posted isn't even arguments, it's just affirmations, affirmations that social change aren't possible.

    Read the fucking "who are we text", if you're not happy with our forum get the fuck out of here.
     
  18. Axehandle Mountain

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    Most revolutions have been lead by religious men.

    You seem to think paganism is a particular religion, but it's not. Anything outside of Christianity/Judaism/Islam can be considered paganism. You don't even understand what "religion" I study or practice, and I use the term "religion" loosely to describe my particular beliefs. How can you attempt to be condescending if I haven't even revealed what it is you're arguing so strongly against? What about Buddhism, do you have some problem with this "religion"? Buddhism and the branches of Hinduism that it spawned from are among the primary influences for my personal philosophy, and if you can't see the compatibility between Buddhist philosophy and anarchism, then it's time for you to read a book.

    Really, this is your reasoning? Hitler was a vegetarian and a painter, so do you feel the same way towards vegetarians and artists?

    I've read Mein Kampf, so I must be an Odin-worshiping conservative neo-Nazi.
     
  19. ungovernable

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    Hahahahahahaahahahhaahahahhaha

    Anarchist revolutions ? Of course no.

    Maybe YOU should read a book.

    Yeah right it's the first time i hear about paganism ! (sarcasm)

    Yes, i have the same problem with buddhism.

    And maybe YOU should read a book, on anarchism, instead of reading your religious crap.

    I just said i have read Mein Kampf too, you can't read ? And then you're the one who accuse me of being illeterate... lol
     
  20. Lunadimae

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    Actually we should read material made by our opponents in order to understand their logic and why they oppose us, unless you want to be ignorant and flame their stereotype. Even if it means reading Mein Kampf.

    Being only able to talk about Anarchism on here without debates or further understanding of others would just be ignorance. I'm not saying that we should spread the word or even believe in what others say, but we should at least know why or what a certain group believes in said thing.
     
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