Veganism

That's a problem with capitalism not a dietary choice. Workers in all industries are treated like shit, you can't boycott them all. Plus, as I have already stated, boycotts don't work.

 

Alright, so after capitalism falls people who handle meat's fingernails will just magically stop falling out and everyone will be able to enjoy their veal with a smile on their face knowing that the magic communism fairy has delivered justice to the meat industry workers? As far as I know anarcho-communist theory (which I'm not quite sure I subscribe to, but which I'm pretty sure most anarchists subscribe to) would tell us that the meat packers of the world would own their own factories, using a sort of democratic system of desicion making to make decisions viewed as important to the factory (please correct me if I'm wrong). But would their fingernails stop falling out?

 

I know that guy!

 

Poop is good foooooood (we don't need you anymore!)

I think the best way to motivate people is somewhere in between dwtcos and Lucidstrike's approaches: be 100% honest about how you feel (even if it makes people uncomfortable) and set a good example. For what it's worth, I agree: veganism logically follows from anarchism.

Miserablist, you ignored it when Lucidstrike said so, so I don't know why I think you'll listen to me, but veganism isn't an end unto itself. It's a beginning. We are creating a society that rejects exploitation in all of its forms and we are starting now. You keep dropping your favorite profane, "lifestyle," to describe veganism. Unpacked, that means that every choice a person makes short of overthrowing the government is useless because it's not solving all problems at once. Your revolution is just the second coming dressed up in social science jargon. For sure, workerist analyses made a lot of sense...in 19th century Europe. But the world is changing and anarchism has to change too.

 

Yeah, I know people that quit smoking for years and start again, blah, blah, blah...

 

Well done for missing the point.

 

Having known more than a few butchers, farmers and slaughtermen I can't recall any of them complaining about their nails falling out. I think you may well be talking out of your backside.

 

That the addict is the last to realize they addicted? I not the one that missed that, mate.

 

Not only was this unsightly side of the meat industry exposed in the early twentieth century book "The Jungle" it was re-exposed in the 2009 movie "Food Inc". Stop making assumptions, it can make you sound like your talking out of your backside.

 

You're not. You're changing your diet.

Well it is a lifestyle choice. Lifestyle choices are not radical nor revolutionary, no matter how warm and fuzzy they make you feel inside nor how often they get you laid. What is radical and revolutionary is organising at work and in your community. Building networks of organised workers, fighting for the revolution. Changing ones lifestyle is not revolutionary. Living in a squat isn't revolutionary. Dumpster diving isn't revolutionary. Shoplifting isn't revolutionary. Fucking in public isn't revolutionary. Veganism isn't revolutionary. They may be fun, make you feel good etc... But they do nothing to further the class struggle and when they are substituted for political activity they are actively harmful to the class struggle.

Not at all. My setting up a residents association doesn't overthrow the government. It does however contribute to developing class consciousness, confidence and competence and helps build towards a revolution. My organising folk in my workplace doesn't overthrow the government but it does increase workplace militancy and helps build a culture of resistance in the workplace. This in turns adds to the development of the three C's above.

Has to change by stopping being anarchism and becoming western bourgeois liberal wank you mean?

 

The point I was making was that meat isn't an addictive product. Speaking as someone who has experienced addiction I know what withdrawal symptoms are. I have also stopped eating meat for prolonged periods of time and guess what? No withdrawal symptoms.

 

Excuse me for butting in here but i kinda felt an itch for doing so...

Well it is a lifestyle choice. Lifestyle choices are not radical nor revolutionary, no matter how warm and fuzzy they make you feel inside nor how often they get you laid. What is radical and revolutionary is organising at work and in your community. Building networks of organised workers, fighting for the revolution. Changing ones lifestyle is not revolutionary. Living in a squat isn't revolutionary. Dumpster diving isn't revolutionary. Shoplifting isn't revolutionary. Fucking in public isn't revolutionary. Veganism isn't revolutionary. They may be fun, make you feel good etc... But they do nothing to further the class struggle and when they are substituted for political activity they are actively harmful to the class struggle.

How is organising at work not a lifestyle choice if everything else is..?

 

Que? Do I actually have to explain this?
http://libcom.org/library/social-anarch ... y-bookchin

 

Wow i quoted weirdly...
So i'm just doing it all wrong here and the ones doing it right and makes a real difference in this world are those who are in a union, no matter what else we do? Cos i've been working with lots of people active in unions that drink coca cola and eat at mc donalds, and all this time i haven't understood they are doing all the good stuff and i'm just making irelevant lifestyle choices that are just about as useful as desciding to wear pink or purple socks.
I used to be in the union until they raised the fees and i had no income at all and couldn't pay it anymore, so now i'm just about as useful as sunglasses in a mine i guess.
Anyway, what's so wrong with lifestyle choices? Haven't you made any..?

 

Hey!!!! Sock color is life!!!!! I will never assimilate to your white socked fascism!!!

 

I'm no white-color sock fasc(hion)ist, i definately have socks of a variety of colors, merely saying it won't make much difference in the end if i wear pink or purple ones (i have both).

 

Oh well in that case it looks like were both fighting the good fight! My favorite sock color/pattern is argyle. But I'll settle for a bright purple.

 

I've found most my socks have cats on them

 

Socks with cats on them?....... I must find them

 

Here i find them most places that are selling socks. Maybe if you look at womens socks? I mean, socks are quite unisex but still separated in mens and womens socks... Maybe the difference is cats?