Socialist Healthcare

I remember reading about some of the opposition to this so called "Socialist" health care system that America desperately needs. It dose just seem to be peoples negative views of socialism that have them rejecting it. Also saw some people saying it was against the constitution, the constitution was created in 1787....THINGS CHANGE!

 

First of all, its NOT SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE. Its FACISM, THE GOVERNMENT HAS A SAY IN EVERYTHING YOU DO, ITS FACISM, ITS CAPITALISM!!!

Second, Canadas health system isnt good either, even with universal healthcare and having only 1/3 of the population of the united states.

The whole bill is bullshit. But whats even more bullshit is most conservatives and republicans in this country are unsupportive because hes a "liberal" if obama was a republican, the whole right wing would be on his side.

I hate that hating the government and obamas dirty ways coinside with conservatives, i hate having to explain myself that both sides fail.

 

So you're saying the health care reform is a step backwards?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/18746724

you wont be jailed for not being insured, but fined

 

Agree with pretty much everything in previous post ^

 

I understand socialism, i just think that outside of this health care bill and everything else obama is doing isnt socialist whatsoever, its facism to me.

Typical american answer? I have plenty of canadian friends who spent hours and hours waiting to have a scratch looked at in canada, let alone finding a good doctor.

What you said is typical for a canadian, look at it, we have over 10 million people in this country which is way more than the canada. If people from canada are complaining about waiting for doctors, or doctor appointments i wonder what it would be like here.

This is just one example obviously.

The bill passed isnt going to do any good. If i have to say this bill isnt a step backwards, just a step in the wrong direction.

I understand that conservatives wouldnt agree with anything socialistic, but if a bill of some sort was passed under a conservative leader called the "republican health reform act" or some shit, that was detrimental to US patients, they would support it. I guess i should have made that clearer.

In an anarchist society, let me see how many doctors you can get together to help keep people from being sick. An anarchist society wouldnt have a "system" set up to capacitate millions of people i dont think. It wouldnt be possible. Maybe local doctors attending to 10 or 20 people tops.

 

ok, so comparing bush to hitler was any different?

Thats why i said i hate that me not liking obama is also attributed to conservatives. You can compare anyone to hitler. But Hitler wasnt the only douche who used fascism. Saying that what our government is doing isnt fascist is pretty ignorant.

 

this is an example of F A S C I S M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Off-topic: I saw this symbol on a wall yesterday while I was out spray painting anarchist websites, what is it just saw it as an avatar that one of the users that were debating with Ungovernable on punksandskins.com?




Anyway, I'm for free hospitalization and health care with no fees and ID checks until AFTER the patient is aided, not on entry. I've had many friends die due to their serious injuries and/or being refused entry to a hospital due to lack of money or ID verification.

 

Okay, I see confusion from both sides here. First of all it IS NOT SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE. What it is is "reformed health care". How it works is that the government offers health insurance to everyone at a lower price than private health insurance, it IS NOT FREE. And if you do not buy it you get a fine, so it is forcing a person to buy health insurance, similar to how it is required by law to have car insurance, and if you don't you get a fine and/or go to jail.

So my initial concern is, what if you can't afford it? And that scared me about this whole thing, I don't care if it is cheaper it is still more than I can afford. So I looked into it more, and how it works for those of us who can't afford it, is that the medicare system (free health coverage for the poor and elderly) will be expanded to cover more people.

So for me since I am poor, my family and I will be able to get free health care (about fuckin time too). But a lot of other people will be offered cheaper health insurance than what they already get. So really it is a good thing.

But is it a Socialist Health Care? No not at all, it is still an insurance that people have to buy, so it still costs the individual family money. A socialized health care system is paid for out of taxes (instead of wasting tax money on war). However it is a positive step in the right direction, and hopefully we can push it further until we can finally get a good system like that of Canada, or France.

I hope that helps to clear things up a bit. If it was truly a socialist health care system I would be in a 100% agreement with Ungovernable on this one. And Veg Barb, look beyond the conservative view of the system, and you might see the benefits of a better system, which is needed. And if Presidents like Bush can shit on the constitution that effects us in a negative way, then why can't Obama do the same that would effect ALL of us in a positive way?

 

how can any of you trust these politicians? it was already said by someone that obama kept the patriot act in effect. that is extremely fascist. so he should be looked at next to bush and hitler. politicians just talk a bunch of shit. when have they shown they care about the poor or telling the truth or acting just in anyway without hidden motives? 911? katrina? this bullshit war that serves only to make weapons and construction companies richer? something isnt right here. i think they are using the carrot on a stick method (again). i think they are going to inject people with a virus or r.f.i.d. chip or something and thats the real interest they have in providing health care. there will be no good health care system until the system cares about our health. as long as there are enough gears in the machine to keep the machine profiting the rich, and there are, they dont care how many gears suffer and break. so why then, should we care about them?