Communism/anarchism=utopia ?

That's not really the case. The Socialist Workers Party, the largest Trotskyist party in the UK, believe in socialism in one country and participate in electoral politics with an eye on gaining state power.

 

all 'communists' believe that telling us how to do things is the right way, hmm sounds like god and no size fits all, things can help but not nec tell, oh and advice is diff

theres more historical ref from the words of still 'communists' who sed they believed that they had to tell others wat to do and they were wrong, u'd be better joining a union that actually uses some of marxism, i spose but lets the workers make decisions for themselves.

you can only advise and step in if gone too far but never take over

 

blacknred, you need to be careful there - the POUM were certainly Marxists (Partido Obrero Unificación Marxista) and POUM was formed against the will of Trotsky, was anti-Stalinist and international in outlook. In many circles Trotsky is considered a revivalist of Marxism. As with Marx and Lenin before him Trotsky was a promoter of temporary dictatorship and lest we forget that it was he who ordered the Red Army to attack the REAL revolutionaries in Kronstadt in 1921.

How anyone can continue to promote the ideas of Marx or Trotsky and call it revolutionary is beyond me.

 

didn't work, won't work, own members sed so, humans won't allow, too much info too

 

yes when you've actually seen it, think cocksparrer sings about this

 

Ex-member too. If all us ex-swappies banded together we would be unstoppable!
I've had conversations with regards socialism in one country with members both when I was in and since I left the party and the theory of socialism in one country fits with their warped anti-imperialism. Plus they do participate in elections but usually through other orgs like Respect and the like.

 

Meh, I'm going on coke at the moment and that doesn't make sense, could you list sources for that?

 

it don't make sense on coke? naa i saw it in a doco, stalins a good example

 

Azerbaijan oilfields r a good example of why the idea don't wash.

 

blacknred, yes the POUM were technically Trots but as I mentioned they formed against the will of Trotsky, though I expect these semantical asides are neither here nor there. My earlier point was that Marxist, Trotskyism, Maoism (or any other development of Marxism) are not revolutionary because of the tendency towards temporary dictatorship (which is never temporary), or in the case of the SWP and other socialists - party political in outlook. All told these ideas which we consider left wing are principally the same in outlook as the right, in the sense that they follow the construct of top-down beurocracy. A socialist government cannot implement socialism, only people can so the sooner we get away from 'parties' the better. That's why I believe anarchism stands against both the left and the right. Or at least that's my 2 cents....

 

u shud black and red......or u have no right to trot out these 'theories'

 

The Zapatista movement, "Zapatistas" live in anarchism..
Been like that for bout 20 years now..

historical examples:
- Syndicalistic Spain
- Anarchist farms in England
-Autonomous Shinmin region

 

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Marx ideas can be very revolutionary, I believe that council coumminst and other libeterian socialist is just what the anarchists need to make revolution...
And communism is pretty revolutionary if you compare to modern society, now I mean the clean Marx communism, not the dictator one á la Lenin/Stalin/Mao.