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Blasphemy: A Victimless Crime?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Probe, Feb 26, 2010.

  1. miserablist

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    The many stories that fit perfectly well with NDE being a form of lucid dreaming?
     
  2. Shuei

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    Not quite. Some were not aware that the people they met were dead before they saw them, while others had a very accurate picture of persons they had not even met in real life, but who were family.

    I'm not saying i believe in this stuff, and i always allow myself to be very doubtful considering articles like this one, but i hope that you can admit, that the stories are exciting, if nothing else, because of the psychology behind. Although, i enjoy stories paranormal phenomenas, because of the ways it challenges science to come up with the weirdest arguments.

    I don't believe this doctor - sounds to much like a hasted conclusion
     
  3. ASA

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    yea pip but how did u find religion, u're sying its a crux and i'm concerned u came about it without family connections, god will give israal back, thats what the state says, just saying, why can't anarchy be ya god, anyway, i''m not gonna get rid of religion, just like u said, keep it to yaself without mantras all over the land brainwshing peepz under stress, thats coercian specially when its all around you

    don't compare a dumb kid to 'religion', um the bible is doctrine followed by those who preach it, ya could get rid of most of the book and still lead a good life and believe in alien beings for all i care, who follow plato to the letter the nationalist, well some leaders do and look at them shitheads, doctrine doctrine doctrine, guns don't kill people, peole do, ahuh, forget about the weapons industry then and the money that comes from it, lets have another war, wakeup!!!! haha, how old are u

    religion has created bias, colonised nations and keeps peoples brains poor through the pocket and ignorance, if anything you should be an activist against 'religion' if ya in it to win it, believe what ya like but thats its kool and the gang, naaaaaaa
     
  4. pip

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    I'm saying the problem with religion isn't religion itself, but dumb people abusing religion. I'm saying I'm against organized religion, but not the concept of it. Anarchism involves being anti-discrimination. Stating religion should be abolished is something akin to Geert Wilders and his comments stating muslims should burn the koran. Discriminating against religion, and people's choices to believe in it is anti-anarchism. So my point, AGAIN, is that religion is not a bad thing, provided it respects people's freedom of choice.

    I actually found god in a squat in the netherlands. It was actually at the best and happiest point in my life, when I wasn't feeling weakened. Actually, the minute I realized I believed in God I believe we were playing Risk by candlelight dressed in layers huddled near the woodstove. I looked around at all my fellow squatters and realized I really loved them. They were beautiful and amazing people, and the sheer luck I had in finding genuinely good people in a world full of monsters and indifferent people was almost unbelievable. In a lot of ways, anarchy *is* my god. Like I tried to describe earlier (I sure love repeating myself), my personal version of God isn't a dictator on a cloud telling everyone what to do, but that warm fuzzy feeling you get after a good protest, at a punk show, when you look around and you realize you are surrounded by people who get it. Who've been through the same things, who see the world around them and think "hey, maybe it's time to fix it" as opposed to "hey, it's none of my business." The dutch have a word for it, "gezellig". There is no english translation. It's like, cozy, but more than that. THAT is my definition of God.

    I'm also old enough to be able to look at my opinions and think them through, rather than believe whatever I'm told to believe. Anarchism requires that. Your abusive tone is really only hindering your arguments.

    And like I said, I don't really care what anyone else believes, I believe in God, I'm jewish, only because that's the label I more closely identify with. I don't believe everything word for word, and I'm tired of justifying something as irrelevant as my personal religious beliefs to you. Now be a real anarchist, and accept that I believe in something you don't, and respect my freedom and choice to do that without ridicule.
     
  5. Anxiety69

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    Arguing with Asa is pretty much like arguing with a brick wall.
     
  6. pip

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    LOL good to know.
     
  7. ASA

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    yep so is having a theological discussion with delsuional people

    you don't believe an upbringin has anything to do with your belief in dog, wat if you'd never herd about it? oh wait

    and its a delusion to think that your 'religion' is good when it creates half the problems in the world thru its use of power, its not about 'you', its about the other people who get fucked up the arse but i guess 'religion' is selfish, its not people, people r not born evil, its human nature, part of evolution, much as money and greed, i'm only stating this cause i'm not sure how much you know

    i state my case and you dismiss it as though i sed nothing, rightious indeed, thats how it goes so sometimes i repeat myself too see if anything gets thru, i already stated i wouln't ban belief just its mass propagandha with impunity like school payers all that shit, oh this dog character really has a spell on you, um your the one anxiety who didn't get vivisection and power woa but i'm glad u asked the question

    religion to me is organised chaos, beleif to me is diff, why can't you believe in something, lead a good life and fight religion, my case.
     
  8. pip

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    ASA, your arguments made no sense, and brought up points i'd already dismissed with a proper, logical argument. I'm not being righteous, I'm just tired of repeating myself multiple times while being attacked by a holier than thou so called anarchist who doesn't even realize he's breaking one of the few rules of anarchism. You even went so far as to assume I'm a child, just because I see things differently than you. Seriously. I've had more fruitful discussions with white power idiots and religious fundamentalists.

    And now you attack someone else for wanting clarification? Wow.

    And as to your last statement, I'm not like you. I don't want to be like you. I want to be like me. If you want everyone to be like you, you're in the wrong scene.
     
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  10. miserablist

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    pip, mate, you're talking mince. You have the right to be offended at people mocking your delusion but you don't have the right to NOT be offended.
     
  11. pip

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    wow. With friends like you, who need cointelpro?
     
  12. ASA

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    don't get offended, asnwer my questions????? now i'm offended
     
  13. pip

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    ASA, I have answered your questions. Multiple times. And then I did it again, and again, and again. You seem to miss the damn point. We almost entirely agree, and you refuse to see it, telling me I'm delusional because I believe in a God that doesn't tell me what to do. It's shit like this that makes people not take anarchism seriously.

    I tell you that I've thought my belief through, picked apart my religious "rules" and obey the ones that I think are logical and make sense. I tell you I've thrown out more than half the torah, because it's illogical, and you accuse me of blind faith.

    Anarchism and religion do not have to be mutually exclusive. Leo Tolstoy was a russian anarchist who believed in God as well. I can list more too, what about Hennacy? Some people even argue that Jesus was an anarchist. He did, after all, strip down most of the rules associated with mainstream religion at that point did he not? Didn't he council people to use them more as guidelines? I can provide you with actual quotes if you like, but I think the guy's a douche.

    Just about every religion has encompassed anarchism in one form or another.

    If you look closely at the talmud, it's almost exactly the core tenants of anarchism. And my rabbi teaches it as such. You should see us when we get together. Temple involves yelling at each other across the room much like we're doing here.

    Anarchism is opposed to the concept of authoritarianism. It's about self-government no? So if I choose to form my own opinion and view, I'm welcome to it, no? Isn't that the basic principle of self-government? If my version of God (for the bazillionth time), is NOT A DICTATOR, but rather a feeling you get, if I see myself as part of god, and believe that G=mc^2, then how on earth is that blind faith? How on earth am I delusional?

    It's arguments like these that prevent people from taking anarchism seriously, It makes us look like a pile of kids incapable of thinking our own opinions through, just parroting in a constant attempt to be more anarchist than you. It tears the movement apart.

    So my statement still stands, with friends like you, who needs cointelpro?
     
  14. ASA

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    not the last time you didn't cause you ignoredaramous post, far too long ya pip and you've got the pip, learn to larf too, you and bush both believe in god, mushrooms won't save you now, play the victim go on, oh u already r, thats half the problem, sounds like ya a slave to someit

    religions control half the world and isn't about peace at all right? and we're against that right? beliefs diff right? g wiz, i don't believe u came about this of freewill because if u hadn't herd of god u wouldn't have gone there, u would have called it something else, ie: it felt really 'good' instead of 'god' just as samples of it in 'freedom fights' r there because of the impostion of religion on peoples for centuries/brainwashing, i've already sed take some philosiphy, u seem to allude i don't agree with anything you say which simply is not true and what the hell is the fear of god/religion

    i'm also saying if you believe you should be doing more to change the way things r done or u r part of a problem that has fucked with us not helped us

    i call belief and religion 2 diff things (again!)and u seem to want to ignore THAT, the devil is in the words which have been usurped for centuries, i only disagreed with you and you went off on a tangent, its anarcho-punk! punk!

    no, religion is stupid not anarchism, and if you don't want to repeat yaself, don't, fuck religion and stop posting longgggg posts 'repeating' yaself when i've gone, cheap shot
     
  15. ASA

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    do u always argue with walls pip, well i guess ya do
     
  16. pip

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    ...are you on acid?

    Did you even read my post?

    Some anti-fascist you turned out to be. Anti-discrimination, but discriminating against religion? Who gives a shit what other people believe so long as it doesn't limit people's freedom of choice? If people WANT to be slaves to religious leaders, not only is it your duty as a an antifascist to allow them that right, but to defend them as well.

    I didn't ignore your argument about belief and religion being different. Again, did you read my post? The bit about me agreeing with you? You know. The bit about believing in God being okay so long as you don't force your belief on other people? I've only said it about a hundred times. That's the problem with religion you know. The authoritarian element to it. The constant threat of punishment for breaking the rules, and promises of reward for following them. I kind of agreed with that bit right from the start, but hey, I get that you missed that. You don't seem all that literate, and I'm thinking either English isn't your strongest language (it isn't mine either), or you're barely literate. Either way, I'm tired of repeating myself.

    And when did I say anarchism was stupid? I said people like you made it difficult for the rest of the world to take REAL anarchism seriously,

    As to whether or not I choose to be part of the problem, or part of the solution. I don't believe I should be doing more, I believe I'm doing everything I can to fix the world around me.

    I fail to see how I went off on a tangent, given that I've been REPEATING MYSELF from the first post. Over, and over, and over, and over again. I'm starting to feel like a broken record.

    You didn't disagree with me, you called me delusional. That's not disagreeing. That's calling someone delusional. Big difference. I've been looking at a lot of your posts, and that seems to be a pattern with you, isn't it?
     
  17. ASA

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    call the kettle black, anxiety told you not to argue but you don't listen, stalemate, now hit the wailing wall before midnight and the gloden slipper, i'm ofta listen to duran duran, it's time
     
  18. pip

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    ....what?

    Seriously. What?

    Are you on drugs?
     
  19. ASA

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    i like u, now don't point the torch in ya eyes
     
  20. pip

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    I guess that's my answer. o.0
     
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