Blasphemy: A Victimless Crime?

Atheism is a fundamentalism. And Evangelicalism is an ethnocentric nationalist cult on par with mormonism. And go read Tolstoy. And eat your veggies.

 

rathryn, 'everyone' was a genralization, you were actually more interested in my thoughts then most the others, and you were very respectful and i do appreciate that... and appearently i'm a dick right there with you, cause wonder didn't say me by name as the non-dicks (and i alos laughed at the post that called him out, but it didnt mean i agreed with it, just thought it was funny

 

Meh I'm what they'd call in Dutch a 'droogkloot', I have a very specific sense of humour that calls people out on what they litt. say

 

the fact that you call it 'a relationship with god', want to continually have ideological discussions, that you are get irked at being called a christian while saying u like some of the teachings, just makes me go mmm anxiety specially when you won't even answer basic questions, what like have u seen it(joshing)

and i never called you a dick, merely stating 'the truth', the god myth to me has alot!!! to answer for, anarcho-punks believe in reality!

 

i do not want to have ideological discussions. if i thought that was possible on these boards i was proved wrong and concede the thought. I am done arguing about this with you Asa, anything further you have to say to me on this subject i will not respond to.

 

all you say is NO, yep never answer any of my recent question's, fine, i won't ask anything ever again.

 

asa, i scrolled back through this thread and still dont see any questions you asked.

 

meh, blasphemy

 

Rathryn, if you re-read that post by Wonder its very obvious that he typed Rythym (who as far as I know doesn't exist on here) but he meant to type Rathryn as one of the four...you know he types things sloppy sometimes thats Wonder....

 

Not for everyone. I think some people can be pretty dogmatic in their materialism, but atheism doesn't have to be that way. I used to describe myself as an agnostic because I couldn't disprove the existence of god (and didn't really care). But then I realized that I was dealing with a fundamentally absurd proposition: that there exists a being so far beyond human comprehension that its existence cannot be perceived and, thus, cannot be proven.

Similarly, you could say that invisible ghosts have quiet raves on the dark side of the moon every Monday, but since there would be no way of ever proving or disproving that, I don't like to waste a lot of time thinking about it. I do not believe that deities or invisible dancing ghosts exist. It's true that they could, but by their very definitions, I will never know. It's a waste of time.

Tolstoy goes great with brussell sprouts. If you're into Christian anarchism, read about the Cathars. 11th century vegan, straightedge, Christian, sex-positive anarchists. No joke.

 

You should be free to believe in whatever you desire as long as it doesn't hurt or victimize others. I believe in the pagan idea that gods and goddesses are just personifications of forces of nature, it doesn't matter if you believe in them or if they even exist, they just give you a face to focus you energy on.

So God says to man, I refuse to prove that I exist, because my existence requires faith . And man says to god by creating something as improbable as the Bable Fish you have proved that you exist so therefore you don't. Then god says well I hadn't thought of that and suddenly vanishes in a cloud of logic. Then man says well that was easy and went on to prove that black was white and got killed on the next zebra crossing... (or something like that, paraphrasing of course... but I am sure anxiety will get the refrence)

 

I'm an anarcho-punk who believes in God. I don't even talk about it unless it comes up in conversation, and I think it's incredibly wrong to force it down other people's throats. It's *my* belief, and my belief alone, and if others share it, that's nice, but unimportant.

True anarchism would leave room for people's personal beliefs, and respect them, so long as they don't impede on other's rights. Forcing your beliefs on someone else is just plain wrong, but having them? I don't think so.

I make my own decisions based on my own viewpoints, not what some jerk religious leader tells me. I exercise free will and use my head to make those decisions. God's not a dictator to me, but a state of awareness. it's that moment when you're crammed in a room for days with ten other people waiting to have your ass handed to you but not leaving because you are there to make a point, and that's what you'll do, no matter how much it hurts. It's at a crust party in some squat somewhere, with 50 cent beers and meeting people you barely know but would still trust with your life, because they're anarchists, squatters, and they've seen and done the same things you've seen and done. Saying that a crustie can't believe in God and still be a crustie goes against everything the movement stands for.

 

naa i rex crusties are pretty secular eh but the rest, well put.

some use leading words and like a noam i watch that shiza, words r us which is why they deny education and information in very religious states, we're all african, we came from genes, turned into monkeys, evolved into humans enda story in my eyes, ends the hate and confusion that myths create, bit like silent whispers, facts doo

so do you read the bible? etc

 

I'm not christian, I'm jewish. I (mostly) observe kosher, and i celebrate some holidays, but the rest i tend to skip. If I can't understand why the rule is in place, then I won't follow it. Shabbat makes sense to me, so I follow that rule, but not always on Saturdays (I never got why it couldn't be a Monday instead) I believe in evolution too.

I do respect both the bible and the torah as educational texts, but I don't take either of them literally. It's like a story you tell your kids. Like the three little pigs: Watch your ass and don't leave yourself open to attack. I understand why some of the rules were there, and why they made sense. Like the rule on no premarital sex. Back then they didn't have wonderful things like condoms. Now they do. That rule has been replaced with "practice safe sex." I believe religion has to evolve too.

There's definitely a place in anarchism for religion. So long as that religion respects people's freedom of choice.

 

i'm half jewish (on my father's side)

 

we're all monkeys, sure belief is ok but 'religion' naa, thats doctrine and it always comes down to a line, not imposed, religion doesn't impose, please tell, oh god i mean brother

i don't care if your christian, jew, or hebrew

r u from israel?

it is a philosiphy that tries to rule in my eyes and i would pull down all symbols and most 'buildings' and say keep it ta yaself, oh and the holidays are changing too, they'd need new planning permission, i'm pragmatic, religion sez 'i don't think' god told me woa nelly

and religion would be kept out of 'charity' organisations too, see how far their charity goes then, their belief blinds them to work that can and should be done not just for the sake of getting 'a prize' at the end, and that is toooo far so no i won't accept the status quo, i mean how many god squad r there here, i cal that being coorced heavily in society that is run by religion, symbolsim/holidays/money etc etc etc etc etc etc so yea, now go pray, call me the messiah, i bring you the truth

 

haha, stupid people make religion a doctrine, not religion itself. I'm jewish. I believe in God, I choose to believe in God. I could give two shits if you do too. That's your choice. I don't think you're going to some kind of hell just because you don't believe in God. I don't even believe in hell. This is the only life we have, and it's driven by base instincts, and the evolutionary need to survive. I'm not from israel, and I don't support israel. The torah states that GOD will give jews their promised land. Not the British.

You can't argue that there is no room for religion in society, as it gives people something to believe in during times of stress. Yeah, it's taken too far. Yeah, some people use it to suppress others, but religion, in and of itself, is not wrong. It's no different than believing in anarchism.

I take offense to the idea that I've been "coerced" into believing in God. My version of God is not some dude sitting on a cloud smiting people for not doing what he tells them. None of my friends or family are religious, none of the influential or meaningful people I've met are religious. I chose religion for myself, because it makes sense in my life. Emphasis on the "I" and "my".

Don't blame religion for stupid people. How many idiotic 14 year old kids do we have running around screaming about how they're anarchists and they're punk and blah blah blah without knowing what it really is? Without being able to defend their positions in arguments or discussions? Religion's got the same shit, so does Atheism. Some people believe in things because they're told to believe in them, without actually being able to look at those beliefs logically and practically.

 

I'm not saying i believe him . I said i found it exciting, mainly because of the psychological aspects, and the many stories that just doesn't seem to fit in all the theories.