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What are the "Rules" of Anarchism?

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Anxiety69, Oct 30, 2009.

  1. miserablist

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    Liberal. You speak like a hippy. We have to negate the ruling class. Simples.

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    Class is not a generalisation you plum. Its an economic analysis of society wherein we see that there are two diametrically opposed classes. The one that owns and controls the means of production, the ruling class, and one that doesn't yet that produces the wealth, the working class. It's not like gender, race or whatever. Its an economic fact rather than a sociological construct.
     
  2. Anxiety69

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    i still don't buy that there are any rules that go along with wanting there to be no government (other than that there must be no government to have anarchy.) To me anyone who believes in there not being a governtment is by default an anarchist. i don't care about semantics or details, but that doesn't mean every anarchist is my comrade in struggle either(i have no interest in fighting along side fascists, racists, exists, pedophiles, etc, whther or not they are anarchists as well .)
     
  3. miserablist

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    Fascists CAN'T be anarchists. They adhere to an ideology that is the antithesis of communism/anarchism.
     
  4. miserablist

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    Mate, I think you're confusing two differing definitions of social class here. There is the definition used by sociologists which includes the middle class and all variants in between. Then there is the definition used by revolutionaries which is a lot simpler and stricter. Two classes that are opposed, the ruling class and working class. Basically unless you own the means of production you are working class as you have to sell your labour. The ruling class only makes up approx 7%(can't remember where I got that figure from) of the global population. So the class war doesn't pit all against all, its the struggle of everyone to wrest control of the planet from a parasitic minority.
     
  5. miserablist

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    I think you mean artisans which is something different. Anarchism did start as the ideology of self employed workers, for want of a better term, hence the Marxist critique of it being petite bourgeois.
     
  6. ungovernable

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    I still don't understand the point of view of refusing the social class concept.

    The class concept is purely leftish, it is not just another label defined by the capitalist society.

    And the same peoples who refuse the class concept are also conscious there exist rich peoples, bourgeoisie and poor peoples.... Well IT IS a class concept, you just have less appropriate words to define it.

    The difference between economical classes is very easy to see in our society, it is not an invention to label peoples, it is a fact.

    Saying you refuse to distinguish the upper classes from the lower classes is just like saying you refuse to admit there exist poor peoples, and rich peoples

    And on top of all, because anarchists distinguish different social classes doesn't means they want to divide peoples. After all the final objective of anarchism is to abolish ALL social classes except the working class.

    For the rest i totally agree with "miserablist"
     
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    yes she support the Hamas lol

    (she was banned from here)
     
  8. ASA

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    why? anyway, NO miserable in regard to me but thanks and agree on most all else
     
  9. miserablist

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    Are you referring to my response regarding artisans? The difference is that an artisan is what would be referred to today as a tradesman, a signwriter, glazer, gardener etc... So a worker just one that is specialised. Very different to an artist.
     
  10. ASA

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    yea but i was disagreeing, as there are and were individuals before 'individualism' who went around essentially doing what they wanted which is just as bad if not worse than being a dictator but it made sense in a time when you weren't allowed to do shit under such measures, it is a major player in the 'liberal' side of anarchism though, it doesn't always have to be intellectual, cheers.
     
  11. miserablist

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    Sorry ASA I don't follow you. Are you saying that Proudhon wasn't the first person to declare himself an anarchist? That was the start of anarchism as a political ideology and Proudhon's mutualism was based around artisans. I then developed into a working class ideology.
     
  12. ASA

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    I didn't mention Prodhon haha, umm wat about the others and yes proudhon brought in the 'individualists' but an indivdual is an individual no matter the political category, cheers, everybodies an anarchist in my eyes, freedom for all.
     
  13. miserablist

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    You're not making sense ASA, everybody is an anarchist? How so? Most people are obviously NOT anarchists and many follow ideologies that conflict with anarchism, fascists, capitalists, liberals etc...
     
  14. ASA

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    its about people not ideaology, thats the first thing to learn
     
  15. A Better World

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    Anarchism is the blank slate on which you draw your life, governments and belief systems are coloring books that leave you little freedom for expression. What your goals and aims are are up to you. Im against anything systematic and done without the consent of those individuals involved. Im also a hypocrite as are you because we all are. The banks never consented when i glued there locks shut..........
     
  16. ASA

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    i'm for individuals rather than 'individualism' which sez if i do what i want saving a tree then it will be ok maan, um go back and read and they go, no, so, might as well be a priest, and i rex that some places would do well to change there plans of hitting their head against walls year after year and i've thoughtttttttttt about it for yearsssss, as they are not as i see it apart, we have to learn and some say no, meh to them they will always do that and its not about 'them' its about all as well as freedom
     
  17. miserablist

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    Anarchism is a political ideology, not hippy shit.
     
  18. ASA

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    ideology hmmm haha, how many 'anarchos' have you met who say 'hey man i do what i want and still don't vote' while telling you ya wrong, ahuh, i ain't no commie no, i ain't no 'individualist' but i ain't no hippy huha, i just refuse the same mistakes to be repeated is all and am staunch in belief without imposition and will make it happen, its like making anything happen, ya just do it, some things take longer than others but if ya have a gut feeling that it will bear fruit....if thought out then go!
     
  19. miserablist

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    Those 'anarchos' aren't anarchists, they're hippies. Just cos they were bullet belts and listen to Aus-Rotten doesn't stop them from being hippies.
     
  20. ASA

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    yep but they mix the mud and it gets sticky, bit like being in front of an authroitay u don't agree with, i'm for all but yea hippies, i know this maaan, thats why i don't denounce their work as i see them being symbiotic somewhere and i want to be as forceful as they about saving this and saving that and i belive we sometimes need better ways of doing that, we should've learnt by now but some want to either save a tree or trot out doctrine, its a means to an end and i believe in goodwill even if i'm viseral

    and i do believe time helps in this time short time/apparently/not too much time but time and space are great perculators, then do stuff
     
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