No Government... Then What?

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Wind/water mills for electricity and you can run a truck on vegetable oil, herbal medicine though if you need major operation that could be tricky.

 

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Hey, what happens to all the guns in the perfect anarchist state? Does everyone get to have one so we're all on even ground, or do they all get buried and hopefully nobody finds them?

 

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anarchism is not primitivism Ivan.., k, thanx, its goes against the idea of human endeavour.

 

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all weapon would be destroyed so there could be no war or hate becouse in anarcho society you are free - you can do everything - but still you must stay a human being (you mustnt kill) but there are a lots of "idiots" who will use guns becouse theres no law and no government so they think they can do everything - becouse of them we must destroy weapons and stop all production of weapons

 

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its true but there will be no government (everyone will be free) and there would be no need for such things..i guess

 

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wild animals may will still wish to attack humans so weopons it is and their would probably even be an organisation to control their usage if out of hand, this ain't utopia, it doesn't exist, it can only get better, by getting rid of the system that creates the problems.

 

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i think youre wrong. people can fight againts wild animals with paddles,daggers or some sharp things. we dont need to use guns or bazukas to kill wild boar..but you are right about the last part it can only get better by gettig rid of the system

 

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There would be no law, but that would not mean there is no such thing as 'rules', even if they were decided upon by consensus. I think it would not necessarily be necessary to get rid of any and all weapons, simply because of the fact that if some authoritarian bastard gets a hold of one and an army, we're pretty much fucked if we don't have them.
I think it would be up to the individual to choose to own a weapon or not.

 

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on the question on weapons i think its pretty easy. if we ever want to overthrow the government and establish our society, what ever that may be, it will happen through a violent confrontation with the state. so weapons are going to be necessary at first. because i totally agree with rathryn on this one, if some left over capitalist will want to take power with the use of weapons, every person should have to choice to fight back of get enslaved again.

 

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Sorry to come into this so late but am just going to reply to the OP.

Well in an anarchist society, which would have to be global in nature, there would simply be little need for military institutions or militias.

Depends on what you mean by land ownership. I personally think that land should be held in common by the species rather than individual communities.

What's wrong with taxes? Whilst in a moneyless world the concept would be meaningless the concept of everyone contributing equally to society is surely an ok idea. [/devil's advocate]

 

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a weapon is denoted by its use bakica but cheers, i don't think we can impose the ownership thing to a degree miserable, i ir on the side of being human, their will always be rules of engagement and ideologial as it were disagreements

and taxes for what, taxes are kings and queens shit, maybe we have to change the language, the english language has done it for ages so its nada new but not completely, for context, sounds draconian but tax denotes imposition and instead of imposing, change it to the idea that it helps those who cannot help themselves, we should not stifle human endeavour or other philosiphys/ideas or we are at folly, this system now stifles real diversity for the sake of power, humans have shown they can more often than not police themsleves when treated as they would treat themsleves which is why they divide and conquer, no thanx

 

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first of all i must say that im pacifist so I must disagree becouse I dont think we must use weapons to "destroy" government or state or law or anything. I think that people must start using their own heads and they must understand that capitalism is hierarchy. and that anarchy is not chaos. we can defeat state by creating lots of groups (communities) and the groups would be based on anarchy. those groups will "spread the idea" of anarchy and Im sure people will understand and accept the anarchy as a option. also I think people wrong too becouse they want power and money not real life,fun,fair work (and get paid for FAIR work) and lots of good things..people are cruel,selfish bastards becouse governemnt made them! if we want anarchy we must be stronger than state and teach people so that they can realize what the fuck is going on in this world.

 

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first off all, i think pacifism is counter productive. it is a way invented by the state to protect itself by making resistance ineffective. by saying on forehand that u reject violence is a very luxurious position, i most cases violence in political matters is not a choice one can make. but that is a totally different discussion (one i am very willing to have with u).

but all that you're saying is very true, but i also think that the people who are now in power and benefit most from keeping the hierarchy in effect will do anything in their power to keep the status quo or to reinstitution it. and if we want to life in community based on anarchy there is a very real possibility that that community will be confronted by capitalist forces. because it will take time before the entire world will be like this. and depending solely on peoples acceptance of anarchist ways of living is in my eyes not the way to survive the first years of this community. like u said people are made selfish by the government and there people who will wage war against u for money etc. this might be a bit incoherent but even if u dont want to destroy the state weapons will be necessary for self defence.

 

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well maybe your right. but Im not changing my opininon about pacifism. I became pacifist becouse of the nazi skinhead and hooligans in my town ( there are lots of them ) and they wanted to beat me couple of times. so i decided be a pacifist ( "fight war not wars" - Crass and fight against nazis and those hooligans). So for me any violence is a wrong act and I disagree with it BUT yes you are right about this whole thing with government. weapons will be necessery for self defence as you said. ok now I really dont know for what am I (i mean am I a pacificst or not) haha but I still consider myself a "half-blooded" pacifist becouse of the reasons I mentioned before. I dont want to be a guy whos job is to go around and beat some people ( except nazis ).I hope you got the point
and as for "overthrowing" the governemnt I still think people CAN do it. united we are strong lol

 

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1) I'd prefer an anarchist evolution, instead of a revolution
2) fighting to gain the anarchist upper hand would be counterproductive in and of itself as we would enforce our way on other people... which seems very un-anarchist.
3) fighting of any kind, to me, has always seemed like enforcing my opinion on someone else, which is completely perpendicular to what I try and stand for. Therefore violence, for me, is not really an option, unless to fight oppression of any and all kinds.

 

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Yeah, violence is bad, but like if some nutter was raping my daughter I'd waste the bastard, and if it was a gang guess I'd rather have a gun than a pointed stick, but ok, it's a tricky one.

 

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Rape falls under the oppression category for me, as it forces your sexual desires upon someone else. And personally, I think sex is a wonderful thing that should NOT be taken for granted...

 

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Agreed, just tricky cos escalation, in above example like they come back later in greater numbers and soon you got small scale war on your hand. Though I think vast majority of people are reasonable, and have inner sense of right or wrong, so unlikely it go that far.