No Government... Then What?

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Hence I used the words representative or spokesperson.

 

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I like how you peepz r thinking and hopefully doing, human endeavour is our aim not working for bosses - ie not a hippy....

 

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I think the realization is that government needs to lose all power. The fact is that people run the state, and the other fact is that the the majority of people in the US are felt to believe that the government will keep them safe and will protect their human rights.

What people don't know is that in order for a state to be considered a state it must first gain sovereignty. This is when the state gains independence and other states recognize them as states. A state in this context is interchangeable with the word nation. When I say state I am also saying nation, or in today's English usage Country.

All states within the United States have all gained sovereignty, but the reason they don't impose their own laws and freedom from government is that they all need the funds from the government. (which ironically the government gets from the banks, so who is really in control...THE BANKS) but in other note...

The government will control all the states by providing them money for roads, schools, aid for accidents, etc, and if the state went out on their own, the government will with-hold all funds, trying to make the state lose their sovereignty, because in order to stay sovereign a state must be able to provide services to its people.
WE ARE IN CONTROL AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN!!
THE BEST WAY TO GET RID OF GOVERNMENT CONTROL IS TO EDUCATE!
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THE GOVERNMENT (as taboo as this may sound) THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE AFRAID OF ITS PEOPLE!
So as a punk and activist punk, outreach to those that are not punks and teach them, be considerate for they may not hold the same knowledge about this country and its bullshit system.
We always had the power to do so!
.....then what???
once we rid the government control we will have what we are supposed to have, individual sovereign states. States that have the power to encourage independence and freedom!
There will always be a form of higher power, but the power they hold will only be as much as we give them....
I am tired of writing and feel like my thoughts are sporadic, so I will try to write more later, any questions respond please

 

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we need a movement like capitalism that has intergated itself into everybodies lives

 

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grand, i believe they believe that would be due to most media

 

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Sorry, but as far as I'm aware state and nation are not the same. The state, as far as I know is the collection of all governments within a nation. And a nation is a slab of ground and area of water that some idiot designated as theirs by drawing lines on a map.
I honestly believe we do NOT need states OR nations, different cultures will persist without the help of imaginary lines on the ground and in the water.

 

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there is a difference between a state and a nation.
a nation is a outlined territory which is controlled by a political entity and where people life who share a real or imagined sense of common history, culture etc etc
a state is an set of institutions which posses the authority to govern a peace of land.
there are off course more aspects to it but this is a short explanation.

i too believe we dont need either to live oure lives, the reason why too me is simple. i don't need other people to make decisions over my life. and after we get rid of this fucked up system of governance i dont think its a good idea to go on living in sovereign states.
seeing as how a state is a set of rigid institutions which possess authority over other people, again some one else having a say over youre life. the first thing to do is the total deconstruction of all capitalist institutions. start by living in smaller autonomous communal living forms. how this is going to look exactly i dont know, anarchism isnt a blueprint of society and most of it is going to be finding out through trial and error.
but i think one of the most important things it that no person can obtain authority over an other person. and with a state there is an professional leadership, cause an institution can not function properly with revolving people who occupy the positions within this institution.

 

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There are a lot of ideas on this forum about life in the various types of anarchy proposed, but none have ven gone very far in their ideas, most are in fact somply stating they want to lose a certain aspect of current society.

Can anyone provide an idea on what life would be like globally? How would humans all over the world live and interact?

The idea of self-sustaining communities is very popular, but people seem to ignore a lot of problems.

1. electricity: would everyone be happy to go back to a way of life before industrialisation?

2. Transport: how do people move far distances?

3. Medicine: without electricity and such, how do we treat serieously ill people? How do perform surgeries, diagnose tumours etc

4: Our world is overpopulated. Moving into self-sustaining communes/groupings will substantially spread us out. A lot of russia is free, but how many will there? Realistically, we would spread across the nicer areas of the globe, and squash out animal habitats even more than now. Deforestation would still be an issue, not because we need it for production, but to grow crops. fact is there are too many people for a workable solution

Any thoughts on any of this? Cause hypothetical utopias only thought out in a very local level only go so far.

 

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1. anarchy is not by definition the obliteration of modern 'conveniences' such as electricity
2. or transport
3. medicine isn't even a 'convenience' so why would it be mutilated for the good of 'society'?
4. in general each town is a small community in and of itself already, there wouldn't be much need to move, in my opinion, simply a 'leadership' (for lack of a better word) on a much smaller scale.

 

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Oi !
I think liberty to live, to be free, not like in this society that we need to pay taxes even to breath !

 

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community proaction definitely!! anok or not---> community is the answer.

 

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I'd really like to hear more people's ideas on these subjects..

 

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well you should be able to do anything you want, but you must realize that you can live without meat so when you get that you will kill less animals (im now talking for all people not you ) I think that in anarho society you will eat meet but something like fish or chicken becouse the world is "full" of them but im against killing animals for fashon or sport or something stupit like that.

as for elecricity : i think anarcho society will have elecricity and that it would be stupit if all tehnology research stop (so I think the medicine wont become useless)

 

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well here's my two cents on the subject.
in a self sustaining community there can off course be electricity, not in the earth destructing ways we have it now (coal fire power plants, nuclear power plants). there are alternatives like wind and solar energy. these are very viable options now and in some squats i know this is used as there only source of electricity, it could be implemented on a lager scale.

transport over longer distances is of course a more difficult obstacle to overcome. if we want to overcome our oil addiction, and to me this is one of the most pressing issues of our times, alternatives to our current way of transport will have to be found. but then again in a self-sustaining community most of the reasons for long distance travel (i.e. food transport etc) are made obsolete. and travel for other reasons will simply have to take longer.

about medicine, this might sound a bit hippy but most chemical medicine has a natural counterpart. this is off course no replacement for the more complicated illnesses or diagnosing tumors. But a lot of the illnesses we have now are caused by our way of living, our eating patterns, exposure to radiation etc. and like i said before the is no need to go back to a way of living without electricity, only major modifications in our way of living is needed.

and on youre last point i can be very brief, yes there are too many people on this planet to live in a balanced and sustainable way. so red rid of all the capitalist, fascists, politicians etc and a lot less people will be left no but seriously the only way for it to truly work is if there would be a lot less people. how this should be accomplished without resorting to fascist measures i have no idea.

 

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Perhaps living as a transcendent race would be better. Since consumerism has been trained in to all minds and material wealth consumes, we would have to transcend the barriers of our reverse-evolution of a sense. We would have to form a new world culture that would be deprived of the darker sides of capitalist formed human nature (ie: greed, materialism, vanity, most functions of current social life)

This can be done in many ways, the most common being brief censorship of material deemed "uncivilized." This in it's self is contradictory to the ideals of other people on this site. One thing people must keep in mind is that there are supporters of the system who aren't necessarily the ruling class. Party politics has ruined society to a nearly unrecoverable state. The only possible way is if the majority rules (making it quite similar to the 1917 socialists revolution in Russia) but as I've stated prior, there are a number of supporters who can't envision the world any other way.

 

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what about people in Africa? how will they get food and water? they dont even have elecricity today. and what about medicine in Africa (or other poor countries)? every year people die becouse off illnes or starvation...how will you solve that problem?

 

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The biggest factor for Africa is cash in our capitalist world.
In an anarchist world cash would be taken out of the equation and resources, etc, could be distributed a lot more equally and knowledge would be shared instead of hoarded.