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Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Boomstick, Dec 26, 2009.

  1. Hex

    Hex Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    i don't know how 'smart' i am, but as i posted before..:

    "Advertising rates on MySpace are based on the amount of page hits, or the amount of people that it receives. The more page hits that MySpace takes, the higher the advertising rates are boosted, the more money The News Corporation makes. The more people click on MySpace.com, the more large amounts money will be funneled into the pockets of those we oppose and tirelessly work to remove from power."

    i am unsure how to make that any clearer. page hits makes money for Murdoch and News Corp., NOT advert clicks.
     
  2. Hex

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    you are probably correct that they can 'find you' if they want you, but DO WE HAVE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM?!?!!?
    THERE IS EVIDENCE that these particular sites FACEBOOK, MYSPACE, YAHOO ARE WITH OUT A DOUBT flagging and passing along members (AND their FRIENDS) that by THEIR standards fit or espouse 'radical' tenancies. you are neglecting to take that into account.

    try using TOR. it is essentially an IP scrambler.

    and you don't find this sad? i do, and i'm not the only one.

    i do NOT use myspace, facebook or yahoo, and that is NOT bullshit.

    this is about WHERE this corporate site funnels it's money. the sites owner is a staunch supporter and financial contributor of the Republican Party...an owner with an EXTREMELY right wing agenda for his corporation and people who USE myspace contribute to just by simply using it. and THAT is the crux of the argument against myspace.
     
  3. Boomstick

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    Mmmmhh... would like to see Ungovernable's view on all this, since I do know he has a Myspace account for this site.
     
  4. ASA

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    Would you use a gun made by a crap company if it meant survival, i generally boycott fox, no free media, no free minds, free media, free minds, the only other people who were so draconican were the facists and i think they called it world war 2, do ya ever get the feeling you've been cheated, don't put with it, boycott it
     
  5. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    Make it easier for them? First of all i do not have any accounts on those sites as well. Your a stupid motherfucker to think that its HARDER to be caught with a TOR and not using a myspace or some shit. You obviously have NO IDEA how easily tracked you can be, ESPECIALLY if you perform crinimal activities that brings your names up on wanted lists.

    And about myspace... well if youd like a shit on the face because you are SO FUCKING COOL THAT YOU HAVE NEVER USED MYSPACE FOR ANYTHING YOU ARE SO FUCKING PUNK ROCK AND ANARCHIST.

    I Will not apologize for going to a bands myspace, local or national or underground or whateverfuck, hearing a song and being like "hey this sounds pretty good" then going and downloading the album.

    You can take your elitist attitude and shove it up your hypocritical ass. Now THATS SAD. And your theory on myspace is BULLSHIT. YOUR USING A FUCKING COMPUTER MADE BY MICROSOFT, YOU DRIVE A FUCKING CAR PROBABLY, AND IF YOU DONT DO ANY OF THAT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS PROBABLY BUY THE SHIT FOR YOU.

    And what you said in the end. Then you should probably hate ungovernable for having one, disrupt for having one, doom, all those bands that have myspaces for the same reason what i said earlier. You can hate myspace all you want. You arent doing anything by not using it because people who do dont pay anything either, they simply click away. Tell me how is someone who hates myspace and doesnt use it is better than someone who does? Id like to see you justify how in some way your better than anyone else on this planet.

    Another reason why most of the people who think like you deserve to bite the bullet as well.
     
  6. Hex

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    wow, relax.
    i do not have an elitist attitude, i was trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to explain the case against using myspace... by providing facts and evidence to support that case. just information that is often overlooked or hidden from most. never once did i ask for anyone's apology, nor did i make any proposal to 'hate' anyone based on their use of the site. nor did i ever put forth any ideas that i (or anyone else who chooses to not use myspace) was some how 'better then someone who does' use myspace.

    this is about information, and enabling people to get FACTS that they might have not known about. honestly, i could give a shit less what anyone personally decides to support, but they at least should be able to make a decision that is based on fact and not conjecture. where is there reason to wig out about trying to empower people with information?

    i fully realize that 'you can lead a horse to water...'
     
  7. Anom

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    All this gets me to think, how much easier do we make it for them to find us by joining here?
     
  8. Hex

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    perhaps a thread on internet security and safe(r) web surfing is in order? i'll look into making it happen, but i will be on the road for the next few days. i totally encourage anyone interested to take the lead and i'll do my best to help out when i get back on the interwebz.
     
  9. Anom

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    Seems like a good idea. I don't know a lot about it at all, just that the internetcompany I have now don't save anything so they can't give out any info. Don't think that makes me all that anonymous in cyberspace (it's such an outdated word... haha) though.
     
  10. Al-Sain

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    It's getting a bit heated!
    Remember- we're all on the same side, yes? We can discuss this rationally as we are supposed to be 'enlightened' people.

    I don't think that anyone is questioning the truth of what is being said about myspace. I think we all know what Murdoch is about. I don't think that is what is getting peoples back up. It is more the idea that good people should be boycotted for using it that aggravates (me anyway). Remember also that bands such as Conflict and Oi Polloi (whose OFFICIAL website is myspace) use it- are you seriously expecting anarcho-punks to boycott good people like them- who have worked tirelessly for many years fighting the system?

    Clearly, there are those (smaller bands?) who think that the tiny amount of page hits they get will do very little to help myspace and the benefit of counter culture being spread on such a large platform outweighs the downside- break eggs to make omelettes!

    Hex- do you make use of Punkrockers.com or Mohawkradio.com?
    supporting alternatives with page hits and spreading the word is every bit as important as not using myspace- if not moreso.
     
  11. corvus corax

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    perhaps bands like oi polloi and other punk bands that make myspace their official page aren't aware of all the issues concerning myspace--just like many people on this website weren't aware before hex raised these important points (myself included; i recently deleted my myspace account after being exposed to the many convincing arguments).

    maybe oi polloi & the numerous other (A) bands on myspace could use an informed and gentle nudge to get them off myspace and onto their own websites or blogs or forums like this very one. sure it's *easy* to start a myspace band page, but when has punk ever been about doing what was easy, or popular. punk is a rejection of pop-culture and conformity, and paying homage to the twenty-first century's foremost institutions of pop-cultural conformity, namely myspace, is sad.

    again, this is just information being presented here on this thread, take it or leave it. but at least make an informed choice.
     
  12. Anxiety69

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    Honestly, unless you can provide or suggest another FREE place like myspace, i don't see many bands leaving it behind. I'm still not convinced that anything is inherently wrong with using myspace.
     
  13. GFSM

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    it's well known myspace is under the newscorp umbrella.

    i know a LOT of activist/anarcho types (bands or otherwise) who still use it, simply because it's universally accessable (if you have the net of course), and offers exposure to a lot of non-activist people. if you set up a totally DIY underground network, you're effectively cutting off the people you're trying to reach out to, as opposed to people who are already in-the-know.

    it could be considered hypocrisy to use myspace as an anti-capitalist or whatever, but it's just as common as activists denouncing the oil-wars and then still driving their car. capitalism is quite all-pervasive, and those seeking skeletons in the closet mostly need look no further than their own wardrobe.

    i don't like the burning of fossil fuels, but it's powering my computer. i can live with that, and seriously, there's worse things to complain about.
     
  14. Rathryn

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    It's one of the easiest things to complain about tho :p
    Anyway, the only reason I stopped using myspace is because I can't seem to be able to download anything off of it anymore. As for the entire corporate-right-wing-financing-thing... hell the fact I'm using the interwebz right now probably means I'm financing the same thing somewhere else.
    Now I know some of you might want me out of here :p but I'm fine with that to be honest, I can't win every single struggle without living self-sufficiently in the middle of the woods.
     
  15. Al-Sain

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    These are really good points. If all you are doing is preaching to the converted, then essentially you achieve nothing except to massage your own ego- that you are more 'anarcho' than everyone else.
    Boycotting people who accept that this is an essentially useless position is divisive and elitist, which has long been a huge bugbear in the punk (and political) scene.

    Well... there is Punkrockers.com- according to the admins there they have just reached 24,000 members.
     
  16. punkmar77

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    Punkrockers.com is the new spot, I'm reaching out to all the people that I'm connected with on myspace and as soon as I feel like I won't be lost I'm deleting the account. Regardless of what my fellow anarcho-punks may think one way or the other I dont want anything to do with that sleazy fuck. And I believe it was Boomstick that brought this to our attention, Hex just strengthened his position.
     
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  18. ASA

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    don't boycott people boycott corporations specially murder space, the more awareness the better and ego stroking is fine, they ain't hurting nobody, we are not all the same in personality but we bleed the same
     
  19. SenI

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    Oh shit... Well lit a dialogue here o_O .

    I personally don't use Myspace, because I have my own profile in www.punkrockers.com. They do not take this fucking Vkontakte.ru - Russia's social networking website, which are easily cracked and is viewed cops.

    I agree with Al-Sain so that www.punkrockers.com good alternative for punk bands. But if the public is leading political propaganda or links anarchist sites, you should use Myspace or Facebook is just for such purposes. Your not always bad each of his band to make its website that in fact this is really DIY.
     
  20. Cocytus

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    Maybe I should just start posting pictures of my balls in every thread I get sick of