The Exploited & Nazis: They Really Are Friends!

[ungovernable]

I'm starting a new topic since i have new information to share. If it turns into shitfighting again, i'll close this topic again. I'm just giving facts and i don't give a fuck if exploited fanboys can't tolerate that links of one of their fetish band with neo-nazis is being exposed at daylight.

Ok so remember that picture of Wattie with a bunch of nazi skinheads doing sieg heil ?



Well during the debate with exploited fanboys who refuse to question themselves, they were desesperatly looking for excuses to avoid facing the truth (and so were the exploited !). One of those excuse brought up by exploited fans and the band themselves is that they always take pictures with their fans and they didn't know who they were. They pretended that strangers started talking with the bands, then asked for a picture and unexpectedly they started doing nazi salute.

Well it turns out that it is a load of bullshit, not really a surprise for anybody but now we have the proof.

The boneheads in this picture are members of a neo-nazi band called HAGGIS. You can find pictures of Haggis members on their last.fm account, you will recognize them on the right of the group pictures posted above
http://www.lastfm.fr/music/Haggis/+images/39496751

Those peoples are not strangers to Wattie. He's a close friend of the band, and he's also a fan of their neo-nazi stuff. Here's the proof:


Turns out that wattie is a fan of the boneheads he pretend he didn't know !

Note that in the group picture with the boneheads, Wattie also has his Haggis t-shirt.



Not only he's friend with them, but the exploited also did a couple of shows with this neo-nazi band !

Proof here, by Haggis themselves:
http://www.lastfm.fr/music/Haggis/+images/29717853

Here's wattie with his haggis t-shirt. The two girls are two neo-nazi girls appearing in various haggis stuff


Here you can see the two girls in HAGGIS videos:



not only racist, but also sexist:



Not enough ? Oh yeah i see it coming, exploited fans will say i made everything up. Hmmm.. no.
On their myspace page, Haggis is bragging about Wattie being a fan of their band :
http://www.myspace.com/haggisofficial/photos/2022969

Here's their tracklist, songs like "the final solution", "i work like a nigger", "wigger", "fascist", "so gay", "shame 69", etc
http://www.last.fm/music/Haggis/+charts ... ype=tracks







Ok not enough ?

A couple of months ago there was an Exploited show in Quebec. A ultra-nationalist band called Légitime Violence were supposed to play with them, this band is playing cover songs of nazi band Evil Skins and other similar shit. They hang out with nazis, they play with nazis bands, play cover by nazis bands, etc... They attacked our anarchist comrades in a bar in Quebec City and knifed many of them, smashed others with crowbars and baseball bats, then ran away.
Finally, they were forced to cancel after a lot of complaints and pressure by anti-racists and anarchists.

You can find a lot of information about this band and their friends here:
http://www.fachowatch.com/quebec-stompers-coup-de-masse-legitime-violence-bootprint/
It is in french but everything is very very well documented (translate it with google)

SO, their band was cancelled but guess who had the privilege to access the show for FREE and also had access to backstage, met the band and chilled out with The Exploited ? Légitime Violence and their friends, including several nazi skinheads! Here's a photo:


The dude on the left is a bonehead called Steve Lavallée, he was charged with 237 accusations and recognized guilty concerned various racist attacks, assaults on leftish and various group attacks on bars in Montreal.
Proof here in french (translate with google) :
http://www.fachowatch.com/8-neo-nazis-a ... omas-2000/

The dude in the middle is The Exploited guitarist.

On the right, that's Johnny Damage, the drummer of Légitime Violence, the band that was supposed to play with The Exploited that night.

Here's a group pictures of all those ultra-nationalist skinheads who had free access to The Exploited show. There's some nazis in their gang, including one very dangerous bonehead who murdered someone a couple of years ago.


You can find various articles released in newspaper concerning the scandal of Legitime Violence playing at this show

Complaints about Legitime Violence:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/art ... aintes.php

A famous anti-racist rapper stood against the presence of the band at the show:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/art ... ticle_POS1

The band were finally forced to cancel:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/art ... ticle_POS2

Anarchists against the band:
http://voixdefaits.blogspot.com/2011/09 ... squee.html

A famous hip-hop blog against it:
http://www.hiphopfranco.com/blog/tag/evil-skins/

TV talking about it:
http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/region ... 84220.html

[slother]

Well I'm convinced but I was never an Exploited fan anyways

[Krusty]

FUCK EXPLOITED!!!

[FuckTheDetour]

This shit is making me sick...

[skullfokker]

ok my name is wullie.im watties brother and I’ve been drumming in the exploited for near on 28 years
some of the shit you have put up on this site is laughable.
the picture with Irish rob our bass player with the Canadian guys.im sure you know who those guys are but you can take it from me we don’t know who they are. You say they are Nazis....well I’m sorry but when we meet people and get a picture taken with them, unless they have a fucking ss uniform on and a stupid moustache how the fuck are we supposed to know what their political views are, anyway all people do is troll the net looking for stuff to reinforce what they think people are and try to fit them into a wee box of “yeah i read that so it must be true”.
we have never been associated with any right wing or left wing politics. We are 4 individuals who come from different back grounds. as to the picture you put up of all those people who we don’t know and say they got back stage and got in for free. That is funny as hell as the picture there’s a porta toilet there we don’t have them in our dressing room and we certainly didn’t know who these people are and we did not let them in for free. Or have anything to do with them.Anyway I’m getting kind of sick of defending ourselves to internet warriors, who read stuff online and think it’s true. If we were Nazis and believe me we are not, there would be more than just 1 or 2 dodgy pictures on the net, we have been going for over 30 years if we were Nazis then we would say so. any way guys think for yourself and don’t just jump on the words of someone who doesn’t know the band ,who has never met the band and doesn’t have a clue what they are talking about, I’ve been a veggie for near on 30 years ,I’m into animal rights etc. love crass and other bands like flux etc. don’t believe all the rumours u get on line maybe if you met us at a gig and actually talked to us then u would see the truth .
wullie

[punkmar77]

Well wullie thank you for coming on and standing up for yourself, there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence pointing in the direction of either "fence riding" or "looking the other way" from your brother and I don't think anyone is accusing the band of being actual nazi's...just rubbing elbows with them and being ok with it. But again we have to take people on their word and if you say you are not ok with that sort of thing then we have no choice but to believe you unless proven otherwise. Cheers and thank you for taking the time.

[skullfokker]

Well wullie thank you for coming on and standing up for yourself, there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence pointing in the direction of either "fence riding" or "looking the other way" from your brother and I don't think anyone is accusing the band of being actual nazi's...just rubbing elbows with them and being ok with it. But again we have to take people on their word and if you say you are not ok with that sort of thing then we have no choice but to believe you unless proven otherwise. Cheers and thank you for taking the time.

[JesusCrust]

Didn't you come out against racism and sexism after you got your asses handed to you by antifa? Why didn't you come out before? Seems like you're more afraid of antifa being on your case then nutzis.

"You say they are Nazis....well I’m sorry but when we meet people and get a picture taken with them, unless they have a fucking ss uniform on and a stupid moustache how the fuck are we supposed to know what their political views are"

Really? You spent that much time with ultra-nationalists, and you're saying you had no idea? The band is infamously racist, a band you were supposed to play with, you hungout with, and you couldn't tell? Sounds like a load of shit to me.

Even if, IF on the very far off chance, that you're not just frantically talking out of your ass to save yourselves, I was never fond of your macho bullshit music anyway.

Anarchy and Chaos? Fuck off. Shitty band, shitty people, shitty ideology, shitty fans, and even shittier excuses.

[skullfokker]

Cheers for that. you say rubbing elbows with them.
in our 30 odd years as a band we have rubbed elbows with 1000s of different people some we like and loads we didn’t .you have to take in the fact that a picture lasts a fraction of a second and when people see that they draw conclusions without knowing what actually happens at that time. We have in the past had massive fights with neo skins in Britain and all over the world. I’m not saying we are angels but I felt strongly enough to come here and say that we do not support racism or oppression of any form, we are just four working class guys who like making loud fast angry music, we hear stories of wattie being involved in the bnp or being friends with the guy from screw driver, well that’s utter pish, we are from Scotland and are in no way connected or involved in that shite and like i said before have had many fights with these kind of arseholes
anyway I’ve said my rant and thanks for not just deleting my posts as has happened in many other forums such as this as some folk only want to believe what they want and not actual facts
wullie

[JesusCrust]

But again we have to take people on their word and if you say you are not ok with that sort of thing then we have no choice but to believe you unless proven otherwise.

I guess I'll go with mar on this one then..though, I still do remain skeptical. I mean, the whole instance with Haggis. You guys obviously scrambled to say you didn't know them, etc, but Wattie has multiple pictures wearing a Haggis shirt. It'd be pretty ridiculous to claim that you didn't know that they were Nazis either.

There's something fishy here, but like Mar said, until you prove (again) otherwise, I guess I'll just go with your word..

[skullfokker]

Cheers for that. you say rubbing elbows with them.
in our 30 odd years as a band we have rubbed elbows with 1000s of different people some we like and loads we didn’t .you have to take in the fact that a picture lasts a fraction of a second and when people see that they draw conclusions without knowing what actually happens at that time. We have in the past had massive fights with neo skins in Britain and all over the world. I’m not saying we are angels but I felt strongly enough to come here and say that we do not support racism or oppression of any form, we are just four working class guys who like making loud fast angry music, we hear stories of wattie being involved in the bnp or being friends with the guy from screw driver, well that’s utter pish, we are from Scotland and are in no way connected or involved in that shite and like i said before have had many fights with these kind of arseholes
anyway I’ve said my rant and thanks for not just deleting my posts as has happened in many other forums such as this as some folk only want to believe what they want and not actual facts
wullie

Didn't you come out against racism and sexism after you got your asses handed to you by antifa? Why didn't you come out before? Seems like you're more afraid of antifa being on your case then nutzis.

"You say they are Nazis....well I’m sorry but when we meet people and get a picture taken with them, unless they have a fucking ss uniform on and a stupid moustache how the fuck are we supposed to know what their political views are"

Really? You spent that much time with ultra-nationalists, and you're saying you had no idea? The band is infamously racist, a band you were supposed to play with, you hungout with, and you couldn't tell? Sounds like a load of shit to me.

Even if, IF on the very far off chance, that you're not just frantically talking out of your ass to save yourselves, I was never fond of your macho bullshit music anyway.

Anarchy and Chaos? Fuck off. Shitty band, shitty people, shitty ideology, shitty fans, and even shittier excuses.

see you are just another typical arse just like any other rightwing fuck witt who only sees and says what hes been told
just who do we "hang out with"
up untill the incident by those arseholes in madrid we never knew there was a fucking problem.do u think that we get out of bed everyday and think about whos a racist and whos not.i live in a tiny flat in scotland,i get up in the morning i take my dogs out and i get on with my life,maybe all you do is troll the net looking for people to persecute,but funnily enough we dont,where i live racisim isnt such a big issue i can understand in other parts of the world it is but not in my life.we have played all over the world to many different cultures and people of different faiths.so dont accuse us of being nazis fuck head as its obviouse you dont know us.i dont give a shit if u dont like our music,i can tell by your post that youre just the usual keyboard warrior who.to slag our music ..fair enough thats your opinion but to slag our fans well fuck you we have met loads of decent people at our gigs,people with probably similiar believes politicaly to yourself,so get off yer high horse and fucking grow up

[JesusCrust]

Gotcha.

[skullfokker]

Gotcha

yeah i bought that record before you were even born mate
still have it in my collection

[Scumfuc]

But again we have to take people on their word and if you say you are not ok with that sort of thing then we have no choice but to believe you unless proven otherwise.

I guess I'll go with mar on this one then..though, I still do remain skeptical. I mean, the whole instance with Haggis. You guys obviously scrambled to say you didn't know them, etc, but Wattie has multiple pictures wearing a Haggis shirt. It'd be pretty ridiculous to claim that you didn't know that they were Nazis either.

There's something fishy here, but like Mar said, until you prove (again) otherwise, I guess I'll just go with your word..

I would like to say to the poster good job with all the research you have done for your thread. Myself I have to say I agree with Mar and JC. I personally cannot base an opinion sadly until more evidence of the situation is revealed.

[skullfokker]

would like to say to the poster good job with all the research you have done for your thread

yet again i have to say "research" just google the exploited and you will get the same 3 or 4 pictures that you always reffer to but seem to ignore the hundreds of other pictures of wattie and the band with loads of people who arent "suspect" right wing types

[apples&onions]

Well I'm convinced but I was never an Exploited fan anyways

Quoted for truth.

[yogs]

................all this talk of playing with antifa bands having fights with boneheads, and then having your picture taken with nazis, wearing nazi band t-shirts and standing round while they give nazi salutes! - oh dear!! Im so glad i sold my exploited stuff years ago (not long after the first single come out). As i said at the start "all this talk............", - "ive heard ducks fart but never seen the bubbles" somewhat springs to mind

[Scumfuc]

would like to say to the poster good job with all the research you have done for your thread

yet again i have to say "research" just google the exploited and you will get the same 3 or 4 pictures that you always reffer to but seem to ignore the hundreds of other pictures of wattie and the band with loads of people who arent "suspect" right wing types

He/she could of shown no photos period and just said what they wanted to say. Who cares if its the same ones you always see? At least the time was put into it to add a picture to prove what he was saying. With what you said why the fuck should I go to Google and look anything up? If you're claiming to be the brother of someone and you're so god damn worried about his name being shit on prove us wrong and show us the evidence that will end this whole thread in a dead halt.

[rawpakit]

HiYA, That's me in one of those photos and I am not a Nazi, Nationalist or any kind of racist.
I have spent a lot of my life trying to expand peoples realm of understanding the hard way and I think it's grossly unfair for you to accuse me of being some kind of right wing sympathiser. I've been playing bass with the exploited for nearly a decade and I would imagine anyone who knows any of us would laugh when you try to suggest that either Wullie (he posted above) or I have any of those kind of feelings/sympathies.
I realise the internet is full of shit, but from time to time I suggest people have more sense than to assume that some arm chair warrior who has never spoken to us but has decided we are "friends" with nazis actually check their facts, it is very hurtful to be accused of something I personally despise.
I have thousands of photos from the road which don't have dubious characters in them. If anybody has any interest in seeing them I'll gladly send 'em on.

In the mean time. Here's a song we played in South East Asia recently.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACItWOM ... ure=relmfu


Peace, Love and Punk.
Irish Rob

[JesusCrust]

It's almost weird that they come here almost all at once to defend themselves. It's almost as if they need the constant reassurance. Those that get the most defensive typically have the most to hide...

TRU PUNX WUD GDAF YO!

Why should we take "Fuck the USA" seriously in regards to our ideology when you also have a loud proud song called "Anarchy and Chaos?" Stop doing anarchism a disfavor.

Tell me the goddamn truth. Are you spewing this new found leftist reformism bullshit rhetoric because you got fucked up by RASH,?.. or because you really mean it? Because I've always had this belief that, even when a (cop, CEO, high ranking government official, reformist union thug, nutzi, etc.) begs for a second chance, it's only when it's because they realize they've been defeated, and they feel the need to save themselves, therefor making it a completely selfish manner deserving no amnesty. Especially when the defensive gets so strong. I believed wullie....to a degree. I left it at taking in to account plausible deniability, which could have been left as was, but now that you're continuing to defend whats already been "solved" and agreed upon, makes me drastically change my notions, which I was already hesitant to lay in place initially.

rawpakit wrote: Irish Rob

Why can't you just call yourself Rob?