Veganism

[Ivanovich]

I still got the craving. So do they eat the infertile eggs, then? Be a bit like stealing their food. How far do you take this? I had vegans complain cos I use horse shit as fertiliser, which I think is fucking stupid, cos I'm pretty damn sure the horse was well happy to see me carrying away all that shit, plus he got to eat the corn I grew with it.

[exploited casualty]

lol that's pretty stupid. i'm veggie, so i have no problem with horse shit, especially if the horse is eating what is grown with it haha, i just don't eat meat. simple. nor do i wear leather, even though i love the leather jackets, i find that to not eat it, but to wear it is pretty stupid..

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Well as a vegan myself i cant see see any problem using horse manure as fertalizer. Dont get that one. I personaly would not eat eggs, even in your situation, or any other. However, the thing is, you have to be answerable to you, everyone needs to make their own minds up! As the saying goes " No Gods No Masters" So you decide.

[dis vicious]

If I could only drop cheese out...

[butcher]

If I could only drop cheese out...

me too, and steak.

[migge]

after i had been to a chicken farm one night five years ago i decided to avoid eating, wearing and using anything made from animals.
i read lots of books about veganism and to me it seemed the perfect way of life (oh yeah some form of lifestyle, but somehow everything i do influences my style of life).
there were lots of things to learn and im still learning, so there had been surely some things like lactose in what i ate, but that is not the point.
the point for me is my decision, that no animals should be harmed for my presence here on that planet.
i dont do this for other people, i do it for me. i dont want it!!!
my exposure to animals is a form of my vision of anarchy!

im not running around telling other people what to eat or not. doesnt make sense, it only attracts trolls.
after some years being vegan i can state, im still alive and as my doctor told me last time still in good condition.

my girlfriend is vegan now for roundabout 10 years. a few years ago her sister, came to her and asked her the first things about why she didnt eat eegs and stuff like that. gotta say her sister didnt have anything to do with anarchism.
now a few years later shes member of an animal rights collective and vegan herself.
you see, sometimes it works

and about what you can eat (especially when you got no money):
tried seitan? you can make it on your own, or you can take gluten-powder. (surely only if you dont have an allergy) you can do so many things from it.
i sometimes make some kind of cold cuts from it and it really tastes great, for example.
and about recipes, just search the internet for vegan recipes. think youll find more than youll ever be able to cook

my 2 cents

[Ivanovich]

So anyway, I was reading this book and it there a list of sources of b12, and egg yolk is top of the list, by far, 4.9 mg per 100g, cheese is 1.5, milk is 0.3. So ok, that's what my body is telling me, probably why my hands and feet been tingling. So I been eating eggs, see how it goes. If it gets better I'll get my own chicks and take care of them. If it don't get better, I will quit. Give it a month or two.

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You do not need any animal product in your diet to be healthy!..................... I am a county half marathon Champion and a Vegan!!! Scot Jurek is the greatest ultra marathon runner on the planet and he is Vegan!!

[JesusCrust]

I don't get how, or why, people can even try to argue against veganism, especially anarchists.

[Danarchy]

For disclosure on this topic, I am a farmer; Certified Organic of course. We raise chickens for eggs in a portable coop, contained by the movable construction fencing. Every two weeks the chickens are moved to a new field following our goats. Our goats follow our cattle. Each time the animals are moved the field is given a week to recover. We do not raise animals for meat to sell but the products they produce. I love my animals. I spend at least 2 hours a day with them and regularily hand feed them disgarded crops from our fields.

I would like to know from vegans. If everyone went 'vegan' what do you propose farmers would do to fertilise their fields? Before anyone goes off about cover crops, nitrogen fixing legumes, use of straw as mulch for Phosphorus etc. I am not just talking about NPK i'm talking about micronutrients such as calcium, boron, zinc etc that plants require for healthy growth.

In a closed system where all of the exports from they soil were put back through composting and humanure a vgan diet can sustain the viability of a farm provided that you do not require selling any of your produce in order to pay for the farm. Unfortunately that is not the case, nor will the world ever 'go back' to an agrarian society, as much as I may wish it to. There is a Vegan farm certification in Europe, based out of Britian, i believe, but even the proponents of that system admit to the above problem with an open system.

I understand veganism and fully support the personal/ ethical decision to be vegan/ vegetarian. My wife and children are vegetarian with an occasional dairy and eggs from our animals. I am a weekend omnivoure but only eat the animals I raise, slaughter and butcher myself. All of the treatment of our animals is done with the highest respect for the animal and thier needs during their lifetime. Where else would you find laying hens that will actually sit on your shoulder and 'just hang out'? Or old nags (goats/ cattle) feed and kept until a natural death rather than slaughtered for dog food because they become too old to breed and milk.

As for the keeping of animals for pets. If you buy them from a 'pet store' shame on you. The animal pet breeding industry is as brutal or, in some circumstances, more brutal than the industrial meat industry. Have you ever seen dog or chincilla breeding facilities? They are disgusting. If you feel the need to have an animal friend go to a humane shelter/ SPCA and rescue one. At least once a year we have a dog or batch of kittens left at our doorstep from urbanites that 'want a pet'.

Again, I do support the personal/ ethical decision to be vegan or vegetarian, particularily for urbanites. The real fight is not with those of us that choose a different path but with the food production institutions that treat animals as mere production vessels. For those that do choose to be an omnivour, your choice requires significantly more investigation into your food supply then vegans. Where does your non-vegetable food come from? How are the animals treated? Have you SEEN them in person? Above all, ALWAYS buy meat, eggs or dairy from a certified organic producer, at the very least someone is inspecting their facilities and monitoring their practices.

[Bakica]

For disclosure on this topic, I am a farmer; Certified Organic of course. We raise chickens for eggs in a portable coop, contained by the movable construction fencing. Every two weeks the chickens are moved to a new field following our goats. Our goats follow our cattle. Each time the animals are moved the field is given a week to recover. We do not raise animals for meat to sell but the products they produce. I love my animals. I spend at least 2 hours a day with them and regularily hand feed them disgarded crops from our fields.

Hmm, I can't seem to understand why would one eat his own friends.

As for the keeping of animals for pets. If you buy them from a 'pet store' shame on you. The animal pet breeding industry is as brutal or, in some circumstances, more brutal than the industrial meat industry. Have you ever seen dog or chincilla breeding facilities? They are disgusting. If you feel the need to have an animal friend go to a humane shelter/ SPCA and rescue one. At least once a year we have a dog or batch of kittens left at our doorstep from urbanites that 'want a pet'.

If you don't 'buy' them they will surely get killed, though if you do buy them they will produce even animals for sale. As I see it, it's endless circle, we can't accomplish anything by arguing over this. That's why there's a thing called direct action. I, myself, bought animals from 'pet shops' as i said before. I can't just watch them being caged in shops. Damn, i can't even watch them being locked in their 'house' at my home, so they are constantly running around .

[cheyannepiacenza]

So anyway, I was reading this book and it there a list of sources of b12, and egg yolk is top of the list, by far, 4.9 mg per 100g, cheese is 1.5, milk is 0.3. So ok, that's what my body is telling me, probably why my hands and feet been tingling. So I been eating eggs, see how it goes. If it gets better I'll get my own chicks and take care of them. If it don't get better, I will quit. Give it a month or two.

there's always dumpsters!

[cheyannepiacenza]

If you don't 'buy' them they will surely get killed, though if you do buy them they will produce even animals for sale. As I see it, it's endless circle, we can't accomplish anything by arguing over this. That's why there's a thing called direct action. I, myself, bought animals from 'pet shops' as i said before. I can't just watch them being caged in shops. Damn, i can't even watch them being locked in their 'house' at my home, so they are constantly running around

it's the same as saying i BUY meat because they're already dead anyways. if you buy animals from a pet store yer perpetuating the system just as you are if you buy meat from a grocery store. veganism goes beyond just eating habits; it's a idea, something you are going to be constantly striving for because we don't live in a world where it's easy for us to be completely vegan. if you buy it, any of it, anything, yer perpetuating something you probably don't want to help grow stronger. soy fields are the product of deforestation and water contamination. and yadda yadda yadda, so don't buy things period, or buy less, steal the rest and dig it out of the trash; it's way more fun that way.

[Bakica]

Well, we're talking about living animals here, and they can still feel. They will end up like meat or a product if we don't save them. One way of saving them IS buying them from pet shops. Yes, you will be supporting exploatation of animals, but that's what I said - only solution is direct action.

I became veg because I'm all against exploatation of living beings, so I get your point, but I also think it would be unreasonable of us to just leave those animals rot in shops.

[cheyannepiacenza]

i totally hear what yer saying, but those animals are going to be replaced by other animals because we've given them to funds to do so ya know? so yea our solution is direct action and not the justification of paying for a life to be free, because even if they are another will be caged and so on. i haven't eaten meat in years, i'm totally about veganism but for me freeganism matches my life and ideals a lot better; it may sound totally cruel but it's the same, to me, as stopping the meat industry. in the sense that if we don't buy their products eventually they won't be able to afford to create a product through using life.
i feel we all have the best intentions but we cannot justify our consumerism when we allow these industries to do what they do by giving them the money to do so.

[Anarcho-Edge]

I wanna be a vegan,but we just can't afford it;it sucks

[migge]

Well, we're talking about living animals here, and they can still feel. They will end up like meat or a product if we don't save them. One way of saving them IS buying them from pet shops. Yes, you will be supporting exploatation of animals, but that's what I said - only solution is direct action.

I became veg because I'm all against exploatation of living beings, so I get your point, but I also think it would be unreasonable of us to just leave those animals rot in shops.

there are so many animal shelters, that are full of animals given away after they grew up (in many cases not cute anymore) or after they got ill or just because the "owners" realize, that animals are not only toys, but have needs which cost time and money.
why not helping those out?

why support people who earn money $elling animals?

you can't save the whole world alone, but you can do your part and try to convince others. and the more people don't buy animals, the less they'll "produce".
if a pet shop realizes, they got so many animals that they die in the shop, before someone buys them, they'll "order" less the next time.

sounds f**king cruel i know, but the other option would be to smash some windows and ... but thats illegal

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Anarcho edge, its really cheap if you learn how to cook with pulses and such. make big nutritious batches of soups andd such for next to nothing and freeze. You dont need all the expensive replacement foods, just a bit of investigation and for thought into what you eat, and being prepred. Honestly, it is cheap and super healthy and your saving lives and the enviroment! Just a little effort and re learning to begin with and your away!!! Go for it!! Get reading up and give it a go!

[apples&onions]

I don't get how, or why, people can even try to argue against veganism, especially anarchists.

Because it is a personal lifestyle choice not any sort of political decision. When espoused as a political statement it is just complete bullshit. It does not reduce the demand for industrially farmed meat and unless one is eating what is local or what they grew themselves (which is just a good idea in general) it probably just benefits industrial agriculture. It does not reduce overproduction at the source (just like recycling) and corporations are still just gonna industrially farm and genetically engineer and monocrop and claim ownership of genes to maximize profits. Not recognizing veganism and diet as a personal choice is incredibly racist and culturally arrogant and probably just straight classist. The only society where veganism could be an across the board option would be the post industrial society that we live in now, and that is neither sustainable nor desirable. I f veganism were ever to be socially compulsory it would be a sick despotic green fascist leftist dystopia indeed.

[apples&onions]

I wanna be a vegan,but we just can't afford it;it sucks

Despite what I said it is really not that hard to do and there is no reason not to. Money is no real deterrent if you live in a first world country unless you're intention was to be buying alot of packaged vegan products.