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What are the views on Anarcho-Capitalism in this community?

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What are the views on Anarcho-Capitalism in this community?

Postby SOADcore on 29/03/2011, 18:15

I was wondering about the views on that division and what any alternatives would be?

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Re: What are the views on Anarcho-Capitalism in this community?

Postby ungovernable on 29/03/2011, 18:20

All infos you must know on anarcho-capitalism are here:

http://www.infoshop.org/page/AnarchistFAQSectionF
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Postby SOADcore on 29/03/2011, 18:47

Thanks. Any FAQ about an alternative Anarchist system?

Sorry about the stupid questions, but I'm new here, as you can tell.
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Postby ungovernable on 29/03/2011, 18:51

what do you mean by "alternative anarchist system" ?

there's some useful infos for beginners here:
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Re: What are the views on Anarcho-Capitalism in this community?

Postby JesusCrust on 29/03/2011, 19:09

Capitalism has no place in anarchism.

That's how this community feels.

Alternatives?
Anarcho-communism/syndicalism

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http://eng.anarchopedia.org/anarcho-syndicalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism
http://www.radical.org.uk/anarchism/
http://eng.anarchopedia.org/anarcho-communism

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Re: What are the views on Anarcho-Capitalism in this community?

Postby SOADcore on 29/03/2011, 19:11

What would be in place of capitalism?
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Postby JesusCrust on 29/03/2011, 19:14

...Anarcho-communism

Libertarian collectivism
Social anarchism
Libertarian communism
Libertarian socialism

Call it what you will.
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Postby SOADcore on 29/03/2011, 19:14

Sorry didn't the post above me.
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Postby JesusCrust on 29/03/2011, 19:16

No worries.

Haha I thought you did.

My bad.
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Postby JesusCrust on 29/03/2011, 19:21

And of course, as in all anarchism (excluding anarcho-capitalism, because I don't consider that any form of anarchism), anarcho-communism/syndicalism denounces all forms of social hierarchy including fascism, sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. and many people also denounce speciesism.

also included is the rejection of the idea's of borders, and nations, and obviously nationalism.
Rejection of militarism, imperialism
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Postby DirtyRottenThrashPunk on 29/03/2011, 19:56

Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron. Anarchy is supposed to have no hierarchy, and capitalism creates social class.
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Postby JackNegativity on 29/03/2011, 20:26

Top of the page says it:

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Capitalism is capitalism, no matter what prefix is attached to it.
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Postby JoeyV on 29/03/2011, 21:35

Yep It would just turn out to be a class war.

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Postby Altruikus on 30/03/2011, 04:05

Yeah anarcho-capitalism (not a form of anarchism), laissez faire economics, the uninhibited free market, and libertarianism all have the same goal in mind: undermine human decency by granting everyone (meaning some people) the 'right' to make other people their subordinates and wage slaves.
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Postby butcher on 30/03/2011, 04:21

Some choice quotes from anarcho-capitalists

“There’s a good reason the poor are poor, they’re less intelligent than the wealthy.”

“As such, it follows that legitimacy is derived from the claim that the government can help the poor. The poor buy into this as a result of moral and intellectual weakness.”

“Nonetheless we do favour individuals with authority, in the form of a natural elite.”

“If the parents wish to use force, then so be it. The child consents by continuing to live off his parents.”

“Libertarianism doesn’t support equal negative rights, a child does not have the same rights as an adult.”

“This doesn’t imply equal negative rights for adults. Some adults, such as primitives, are not capable of rational argumentation and cannot be brought peacefully into the division of labour. Moreover, they have no conception of property rights nor any enforcable claim.”

“These people (tribal or less developed cultures) simply aren’t capable of rational argumentation, and therefore have no rights, whether this is biological or cultural makes no differences.”

“The fact is they often cannot be brought within the division of labour and without any concept of property rights it’s impossible that they own anything. Moreover they have no legitimate claim to any of this territory and as such it’s free to be homesteaded.”

“People incapable of moral choice must either abide by the decisions of those who are or they must be removed from free society.”

“Against people who have no law, the initiation of force is fully justified.”

“It was not wrong for the spanish to overthrow an empire that literally fed on its slaves in religious rituals and replace it with its much milder form of serfdom.”

“Childish rejection of a natural order and authority isn’t the opposite to subservience. It’s a bad trait that needs to be kept down until the youth have matured sufficiently.”

“A private ruler must respect property rights simply because his wealth depends on clearly defined laws explaining what is, and isn’t legitimate property and how people should act in regards to this.”

“Anarcho capitalism and anarchism are synonomous. Anything that can’t be subsumed under anarcho capitalism, is internally inconsistant, and needs to be thrown out.”

“So long as government commands a monopoly over all land, the closed border position is defensible.”

“It is only reasonable to expect the state to fulfill its duties as a land owner.”

“The only system that would have no borders would be a world government.”

“Seeing as towns would be owned by single entrepreneurs…”

“Why wouldn’t people sell their land to a single entrepreneur? The have no interest in owning land, only in being able to lease it from some owner.”

“There’s nothing new about left-libertarians. They are still the same anti-capitalist who hated big business when Lenin promised to keep control of the commanding heights of the economy.”

“Anybody can benefit from the state and anybody can become a part of it.”

“It’s necessary to remove bad elements from a movement. Which is exactly what the libertarian movement should be doing to non Austrians and the likes of Molyneux. Lenin was exactly right in this regard.”

“Opposition to the family and church sounds somewhat Marxist to me, any libertarian society will be founded upon those two institutions so in a sense yes, one does need to be a cultural conservative to be a libertarian.”

“The state by it’s very nature is egalitarian in the widest sense of the word.”

“The only unifying principle of a secular, multicultural society is the democratic state.”

“Feudalism is actually an entirely appropriate model for anarchist society, and my prediction is it’s coming whether the anarchists like it or not.”

“A system of feudal holdings all competing with each other for human and fiscal capital stacks up pretty good against a system whereby the parasitic majority lives off the productive minority.”
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Postby ungovernable on 30/03/2011, 17:41

Those quotes are seriously disgusting, sounds like what a conservative capitalist would say.....
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Postby DirtyRottenThrashPunk on 30/03/2011, 19:37

ungovernable wrote:Those quotes are seriously disgusting, sounds like what a conservative capitalist would say.....


That's what I thought....aagh I hate that Ayn Rand bullshit
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Postby JackNegativity on 30/03/2011, 19:39

ungovernable wrote:Those quotes are seriously disgusting, sounds like what a conservative capitalist would say.....


Yeah, I've been reading an online version of 'People's History of the United States', some of that shit sounds like what the American "founding fathers" were saying, and how "we the people" referred to only wealthy land owners.
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Postby punkmar77 on 31/03/2011, 02:41

“Anarcho capitalism and anarchism are synonomous. Anything that can’t be subsumed under anarcho capitalism, is internally inconsistant, and needs to be thrown out.”


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Re: What are the views on Anarcho-Capitalism in this community?

Postby Caps on 31/03/2011, 12:54

ungovernable wrote:Those quotes are seriously disgusting, sounds like what a conservative capitalist would say.....


Conservative capitalism (as in libertarian capitalism of Nozick, Hayek and Rothbard [hope I'm not misplacing these 'philosophers']) and anarcho-capitalism I would say are a lot closer to being synonymous than anarcho-capitalism and anarchism.

To me, there seems to be such an obvious contradiction in the concept of anarcho-capitalism: Anarchism is opposed to hierarchy and capitalism creates an economic hierarchy. This makes social/political equality impossible.

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