Veganism

[Caps]

Merged posts, remember to check on existing threads before starting a new one please, specially really common ones like this one...cheers

im all for animal rights and all but does it make you a hypocrite for eating meat and wearing leather? since i heard they scape the hide from them while they are still breathing and torture them

If you support animal rights it does seem to be a contradiction to eat them or use products that involve their death. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I'll give you a direct personal example: I'm a vegan - I consume no animal products, my shoes are made from non-animal materials and my washing stuff is also animal free. However, a year or so ago I was in hospital being treated for blood cancer. After the radiotherapy your throat becomes so sore and swollen you can't eat. On top of that, due to all the drugs in my body I had lost a lot of weight. If I did not receive nutrients I was going to die of malnutrition. The hospital had a way of 'feeding me' through tubes in my chest. It contained animal products. In those circumstances, I am not going to reject the treatment.

There are quite a few instances where my abstaining from animal and animal-tested products was compromised. However, I think the circumstances meant the compromise was right. Other questions, besides health, relate to geography, economy (maybe not food wise but other vegan products tend to have a mark up) and other social issues. My attitude to animal rights is you have to find a consistency. If you agree that perpetuating intensive farming is wrong but conventional farming can be okay but you just shovel any old shit into your mouth, that's a cognitive dissonance I can't understand. Likewise, if you feel you shouldn't eat animals - for whatever reason - and then you do, I don't get it.

A little while ago, I wrote an essay. It wasn't about animal rights but, after a friend read it, he quit eating meat because of an argument in the essay. He didn't turn vegan because he believe that it can be ethically consistent to eat milk and cheese. That's fine. What I get annoyed at is when people say 'I agree with you totally. I think it's not right to eat animals. But I just love the taste of meat, I couldn't give it up." First, how is that meant to console me? Second, what am I meant to think of that person? Be dismissive if you want, you're probably a bit of an ignorant fool. But don't be sympathetic and apathetic. For fuck's sake.

Rant over. Apologies.

[Ivanovich]

Well, Caps, I think they just addicts. I know I should stop smoking, but I come up with similar bullshit reasons to carry on.

Moralthreat: Reality check. The right to life is pretty much THE basic right, and since you can't eat flesh or wear skin without killing first, well, obvious, init? Also, take note that the right to life does not mean the right to be treated-kinda-ok-before-getting-killed, nor the right to be killed-in-a-not-too-nasty way.

[moralthreat]

I do like meat and I do care about animals

[Ivanovich]

Yeah, you care so much about them that you eat them. If someone killed me, ate me and made shoes out of my skin, would I think they cared about me. Not really. Go think about it some more, or something.

[moralthreat]

really? so if i eat meat i dont care about animals?

[Bakica]

Yeah, you care so much about them that you eat them. If someone killed me, ate me and made shoes out of my skin, would I think they cared about me. Not really. Go think about it some more, or something.

Stop being so agressive, maybe he's young or new to all this, he just asked.

@moral : Do what you think is right, I know loads of people who enjoy animals company, but still eat meat because they are either afraid or uneducated on this topic. I suggest you take a look at vegetarianism and/or start thinking about how can you help your animal friends.

[THEBLACKNOVA]

[Ivanovich]

really? so if i eat meat i dont care about animals?

Either that, or you are confused.

[Ivanovich]

Yeah, you care so much about them that you eat them. If someone killed me, ate me and made shoes out of my skin, would I think they cared about me. Not really. Go think about it some more, or something.

Stop being so agressive, maybe he's young or new to all this, he just asked.

@moral : Do what you think is right, I know loads of people who enjoy animals company, but still eat meat because they are either afraid or uneducated on this topic. I suggest you take a look at vegetarianism and/or start thinking about how can you help your animal friends.

Yeah, like not eating them. That would be quite helpful.

Afraid of, what?? Ok, you not going to die if you don't eat meat. Might take a few months for your body to adjust, but after that you probably feel healthier. Veganism is another matter though, you do need to research that a bit before diving in.

[THEBLACKNOVA]

[THEBLACKNOVA]

11 More Must-Have Vegan iPhone Apps

These helpful new apps keep vegan recipes, info, and tools only a click, tap, and swipe away.

Take a look around a subway car or a waiting room, and you’ll probably see many faces gazing into a handheld touch-screen display. Smartphones are here to stay, and their unparalleled level of convenience is largely aided by the advent of hundreds of thousands of apps, which make everything from ordering a pizza to scanning a barcode doable in seconds. Even better, veg-friendly apps are on the rise, with new ones popping up seemingly every day. Here are a few of our recent favorites, and don’t miss our first list of 10 Vegan Smartphone Apps to Make Life Easier.

Animal-Free (Free)
This free, award-winning app is a pocket dictionary for animal ingredients, from the obvious to the covert. Its built-in barcode scanner allows users to check products for undesirables, and those without a camera can check using product names or specific components.

Gardein Recipes (Free)
Faux-meat master Gardein launched a new app this July featuring its tasty, cruelty-free products in tons of innovative recipes, such as Korean Soft Tacos, Five-Spice Chik’n Noodle Salad, and Summer Grilled Scallopini. Users can also see where to buy Gardein products in the app’s locator feature.

Go Vegan! ($6.99)
Author of the cookbook How It All Vegan Sarah Kramer authored this aptly titled app, with features 50 of her recipes for breakfast, entrées, salads, soups, desserts, and more. The app also has video cooking tips from the cook herself and a customizable shopping list.

All Things Tofu (Free)
Veggie Award-winning tofu brand Nasoya created this mobile app, which helps users compile tofu-based recipes through its handy Dish Whiz tool, according to meal, ingredient, and dietary preference. Nasoya will also be updating the app with video tips, and encourages consumers to take the Tofu U healthy living pledge in order to win rewards.

HappyCow ($2.99)
The popular vegan travel website has gone handheld with this on-the-go guide to plant-based dining. An interactive map allows users to filter local businesses for veg-friendliness or find nearby health food stores, while the category browser makes finding veg sushi a breeze.

21-Day Vegan Kickstart (Free)
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine makes going vegan wildly easy with this awesome resource that helps participants plan healthy, delicious plant-based meals for every day of their program. Stay motivated with words of encouragement and chow down on Couscous Confetti Salad, Apple Cinnamon Oatmeal and more, and it’s simple enough for your tech-challenged mom to use.

VeganXpress ($1.99)
Finding your road-trip style cramped by dismal vegan options at fast-food eateries? Look no further than Vegan Xpress, a convenient database of the vegan options at many popular fast-food and chain restaurants around the country. Puzzled at Papa John’s? Get the breadsticks. Desperate at Denny’s? Try a baked potato with sautéed mushrooms and pico de gallo. Better yet, the catalog is constantly expanding with new places and menu items.

Roaming Hunger (Free)
If you live in virtually any metropolitan area in the US, it’s likely that a veg-friendly food truck is somewhere in your midst. The question is, how will you scout out this roaming vehicle of deliciousness? The answer: Roaming Hunger, an app that offers real-time locations for more than 800 different trucks nationwide.

Vegan Cupcakes by Isa Moskowitz (Free)
If you are one of the many, many fans of Isa Chandra Moskowitz’s amazing vegan cupcakes, you’ll be pretty pleased by this complimentary, cupcake-centric app that offers 75 different flavors and frostings to try in your own kitchen. S’mores, Mucho Margarita, and Pumpkin Chocolate-Chip are just a few of the flavor concoctions that are offered.

BNB ($2.99)
This app’s moniker stands for Be Nice to Bunnies, a fitting name for an app that helps users find cruelty-free products that are not tested on animals. Search by company, category, or product to ensure that your shampoo, detergent, or nail polish is vegan friendly.

Do Eat Raw ($0.99)
Get access to more than 300 raw vegan recipes with this nifty archive of entrées, salads, breads, crackers, desserts, smoothies, and more. Better yet, users can add photos of their own creations, use a built-in timer for keeping track of dehydrating foods, and save the favorites that have them coming back for seconds.

this report was taken from here: http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=4101&catId=5

[Ivanovich]

The VeganXpress one be kinda useful.

You aint gonna wind me up, dude, I liked your Hugh Grant pic too much

[Bakica]

[Incalight]

dunno if this vid has already been posted...

[pUnK@55]

really? so if i eat meat i dont care about animals?

animals would eat you if they got the chance

[Bakica]

really? so if i eat meat i dont care about animals?

animals would eat you if they got the chance

What the fuck was that supposed to mean ?

[pUnK@55]

really? so if i eat meat i dont care about animals?

animals would eat you if they got the chance

What the fuck was that supposed to mean ?

think about it!!! the food chain. its the natural order. anarchists can hunt our own meat and dont rely on capitalists to sell it to us too.

[Caps]

One of the last books I read was a collection of stories by Ursula Le Guin and it included the tale 'Paradise Lost'. I'm just going to quote a couple of connected lines:

""Nature," on the original planet, had meant what was not controlled by human beings...And all the "animal" functions of the human body were therefore natural...
Control over these functions wasn't called unnatural however...It was called civilisation."

I made some notes inspired by the passage. Some things for people like Punk55 to consider:

One of the recurring arguments for meat eating is that it is 'natural'. Our bodies function in a way that is able to consume flesh and appears to have a desire to - an instinctual enjoyment. Tied to this argument is the idea that the 'natural' is the 'undeniable' or the 'good'. While some things from nature arguably may be so, there is also the classic Hobbesian view of nature as "nasty, brutal and short". Nature is also primitive; it is barbaric. Attempts to limit the brutality is called civilisation. Now consider the number of deaths that that result from animal consumption. Consider the frequently violent nature of so many of those deaths. Is a meat eating diet 'naturally good' or 'naturally barbaric'? We have 'civilised' the killing - have means to make it more humane - but can you civilise wholesale slaughter? Have we not just taken the efficiency of our civilisation and mixed it with our primitive barbarity to make our savagery more efficient? Is veganism not, simply, a more civilised form of diet?

[THEBLACKNOVA]

[veganize001]

3rd world country like philippines is difficult to practice veganism. but im a 4 years vegan so i decided to contact here to get more information or a recipe to share to my comrades or folks..