Jesus Christ

[Bentheanarchist]

Stupid ignorant fuckers at my school say I am going to hell for being an Atheist, but I do not fucking care what they think. They are ignorant idiot Nazis from Texans. Fuck them! They are Jackasses

[snookams]

can't say that i'm an atheist because atheism is a religion in itself. there's a higher power, just not one that needs worshipping and bullshit superficial prayer. there's no "god" however....just energy and mother nature. something to be respected and treated as an equal.

[Bentheanarchist]

Im against all organized religion and hell

[DrunkSquid]

Actually no, atheism is not a religion. You can be religious AND atheist, for example you can be atheist and Buddhist also.

[JackNegativity]

Buddhism isn't really a religion either, more like a philosophy I've heard.

[persona-non-grata]

Buddhism isn't really a religion either, more like a philosophy I've heard.

yes because Buddha is not a god like creature it is a title
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

[BlackParad0x]

ma fuck i dont beleave in a religion i only beleav in science

[clawvsclaw]

I don't care if he existed or not but Christ is a bad ass last name.

[xxxisaacalopezxxx]

I believe the bible is a great book if you read it correctly. I've heard priests that dedicated their whole lives to the bible say that the bible is to understand how God works, but me, a child of 15 who doesn't care about the bible, understands that really the bible is a piece of literature. To me it is just a story like Animal Farm or 1984. It is literature to teach us a lesson. Jesus Christ was a man who gave and gave and lived his good. This man sacrificed a lot and was punished severely. It is supposed to show us how horrible the human race is. It is a metaphor.

[metalpunx]

I've always hated the idea that you can't be an anarchist and a Christian (or Muslim, Jew, Magician, etc.). As a gnostic myself, I have spiritual beliefs. I don't enforce them upon people and rarely talk of them but anyone who says I'm not an anarchist because I believe in a higher power and seek a personal connection with it can fuck off.

Also, if you can't be a Christian and an anarchist, how do you explain people like Ammon Hennacy?

[Bakica]

You can't be an anarhist and a christian. Christans belive everything that Bible says ( if they don't, they can't be called christans since god is mention in Bible for the first time ), and Bible is book filled with shitz. Just like reading Mein Kampf. Anarchism should oppose such stupidity, that's why Ammon is nothing else then a funny guy.

[Caps]

Christans belive everything that Bible says ( if they don't, they can't be called christans since god is mention in Bible for the first time ), and Bible is book filled with shitz.

Sorry, but that's not right. Literalists believe everything the Bible says (hence the name). Christianity is a broad church (excuse the pun) and you can't lump all of them together any more than you can say all Muslims believe every word of the Koran. Also, the concept of god and gods far precedes the Bible. You had atheists, polytheists, monotheists, pantheists and all in between from years before the Bible. Granted the Torah was one of the first books that really dictated a committed beliefs to monotheism (believing the success of the Jews over other gentile nations was down to the heretical beliefs within them) but the Torah began as teaching as much as other earlier theological and philosophical theories of god. However, I do agree that the Bible is filled with shitz.

Now, can Christians be anarchists? It doesn't make sense to me but it does to others. Tolstoy's the obvious example. Granted, I don't accept his philosophy entirely but he held many libertarian and, I think, positive views. Ivan Illich is apparently another one. Again not perfect but his thinking on 'deschooling society' is pretty good stuff.

There are many religious movements that appreciate anarchist views. I'd imagine the argument is that if god made us all and loves us all then they should work for the good of all. I know for a while the Anarchist Federation in the UK was debating how to describe their principle towards faith because some wanted it to be wholly atheist while others didn't want exclude people of faith as long as they didn't harbour oppressive views and they wanted to work for the anarchist cause.

The question is what do you call anti-government socialists that believe they have a relationship with god?

"A boss in Heaven is the best excuse for a boss on earth, therefore If God did exist, he would have to be abolished." Bakunin.

[Bakica]

Well, i'm a bit radical when talking about christianity, since a member of my family is a arogant homphobic nationalist christan, and all his friends priests and clerics as well. I can't say i get your point. Organized religion ( in this case christianity) is based on a book. If one calls himself a christan he MUST follow the freaking book, or at least I see it that way. If you don't follow it then you're not christan, simply put. Bible created god, nothing else. And if one agrees with bible, there's nothing else to talk about. That's the way I see it.

[metalpunx]

Thing is, just because you don't believe Christian anarchists are real anarchists doesn't mean that's so. It's that sort of dogmatic thought which anarchism is entirely against. It parrots the same mentality that an untold number of states and religions have used to enforce their ideals countless times. So long as a person's spiritual belief does not interfere with another person's right to exist it hurts no one, it is harmless, no matter how ignorant and disillusioned you believe it to be.

I'll never support organized religion. As far as I'm concerned its just a tool of the state. At the same time, I'm not going to reject someone who believes as I do just because they have some sort of personal spiritual belief I don't agree - or lack them entirely. To me, that defeats the entire purpose of anarchism.

[punkmar77]

There will never be consensus on this issue among us, even Durruti had a close personal relationship with a Catholic priest turned anarchist...as a personal experience when I was younger I found myself being very intolerant of others religious views, but as I've aged I've had my mind changed by working hand in hand with radicals that happened to also be believers, I don't and never will agree with those beliefs but I also don't deprive myself or others of having meaningful human relationships because of god preference or atheism...

[pUnK@55]

I dont believe in god or anything, but jesus i think did at one point 2010 years ago, live.

but religion makes people happy, even if it minipulates poeple into believing something that isnt true. so ungov, explain to me how religion , believeing in god is such a terrible thing?

because profit mohamed fucks little girls and so do ppl that believe in him

[crustybeckham]

I dont believe in god or anything, but jesus i think did at one point 2010 years ago, live.

but religion makes people happy, even if it minipulates poeple into believing something that isnt true. so ungov, explain to me how religion , believeing in god is such a terrible thing?

because profit mohamed fucks little girls and so do ppl that believe in him

As hilarious as you think you are, I am sure there hundreds of right-wing sites (self-proclaimed as "non-politically correct") that will welcome such shitty jokes with open arms. However, you will have to refrain from using this type of humour here.

Besides, change your ridiculous avatar.

[pUnK@55]

I dont believe in god or anything, but jesus i think did at one point 2010 years ago, live.

but religion makes people happy, even if it minipulates poeple into believing something that isnt true. so ungov, explain to me how religion , believeing in god is such a terrible thing?

because profit mohamed fucks little girls and so do ppl that believe in him

As hilarious as you think you are, I am sure there hundreds of right-wing sites (self-proclaimed as "non-politically correct") that will welcome such shitty jokes with open arms. However, you will have to refrain from using this type of humour here.

Besides, change your ridiculous avatar.

anyone for religion is a rightwinger. BESIDES....its better than david fucking beckham's dong bulging throu his tighty whities.

[crustybeckham]

Not all religious persons are "right-wing". Ever heard of marxist guerillero padres? Not that I am a huge fan of marxism but you get my point. You basically wrote that muslims fuck little girls, so unless you are even thicker than your grammar suggest, I am sure you understand that this statement is as ridiculous as it is offensive.

My Beckham avatar is meant to ridicule the geezer and to point out how much of a wanker he is. It is trivial and mundane, but well Beck always cracks me up. On the other hand, a girl shaking her tits is hardly very witty or funny.

Consider this a friendly warning.

[Caps]

I dont believe in god or anything, but jesus i think did at one point 2010 years ago, live.

but religion makes people happy, even if it minipulates poeple into believing something that isnt true. so ungov, explain to me how religion , believeing in god is such a terrible thing?

because profit mohamed fucks little girls and so do ppl that believe in him

As hilarious as you think you are, I am sure there hundreds of right-wing sites (self-proclaimed as "non-politically correct") that will welcome such shitty jokes with open arms. However, you will have to refrain from using this type of humour here.

Besides, change your ridiculous avatar.

anyone for religion is a rightwinger. BESIDES....its better than david fucking beckham's dong bulging throu his tighty whities.

First, wrong on religious people=right-winger theory - as Leo Tolstoy, John Ball, William Godwin, Paulo Friere and even Martin Luther King will attest.
Second, your point was relatively random and irrelevant. I can only imagine that you made the comment 'satirically', sending up the ignorance of the recent video that was put out by that nutjob in California.
Third, it adds nothing fruitful to the discussion. If you want to attack/question religion do so constructively. Joining any site - but especially this site - and introducing yourself with the above sort of bullshit will not sit well.
Fourth, there is a difference to the humour in the Beckham avatar to the (whatever 'quality' it is you believe it has) your avatar brings. I imagine it would be appreciated by most if you changed it.
This is an anarcho-punk site. The emphasis is on anarchism as an idea and a form of social activism. It is not anarchy as chaos and is not I-don't-give-a-fuck punk. We generally give a fuck. So, please use a bit more thought and be more constructive. (Perhaps check the Points of Unity: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2)