Anarchy vs Communism

[Shuei]

vAsSiLy77:
Impressive memory - and very exciting to read

[vAsSiLy77]

Shuei, thanx for your interest, it's a pleasure to discuss things with people who are serious about their believes like you are!

But we still don't agree about the "reason" for class war, 'cause I think according to old karl's theory, capitalism isn't "leading" to class war against the proletariat, instead this fight is just another chapter in the history of class war. It's the "fact" of the different/antagonistic class interests that started the competeting classes to fight after establishing a stage of development of the means of production that defined the classes. In short:

Industrial revolution established/developed the class of the bourgeois, who own the factories and use their opportunities for their own interest only against the working class, trying to overcome the bourgeois rule.

The important thing is: Class war happened in every era because of the antagonistic class interests, and the unequality of opportunities according to the stage of development.
The accumulation of wealth happened all the time since the antique, think of a "lucky" farmer getting rich enough to buy more land, producing more, getting richer, buy even more land from his neighbors, making them homeless and unemployed. He would start hire the homeless or unemployed for less money he earns out of their work or buy slaves to make even more profits - ending up as the ower of a large plantage worked by slaves - his former neighbors and the slaves would have to oppose him to better their lives - class war...

But our comrade butcher (see his quotes on Anarchy & Money) and some more discussions in real life already shakened my believes in the importance of this dialectical historism thing a bit, so it's just my point of view on the marxist point of view - and maybe, it's not that important for our beloved Anarchy beauty...
It's always more important to do the right thing today, than to waste time considering marxens theorie.
Ok, knowledge about marx is most useful if you're clashing with marxists or our local trozkyst....

The show of liberal "democrazy" is really getting weird, and I wonder if the professionals involved still think of politics, or just the next little show to get their piece of the cake and nothing else. Former left or right isn't that important anymore, it's hard to see the difference between "new" social democrats and "new" christ democrats, even the green party in germoney is busily fighting for their position in the "middle" - everyone is in the middle, except for the bad show all about this heap of ignorant self referringness nothing happens...
'Exept maybe a few big brains came up with the idea of "post capitalism" to prevent the worst crisis of the economy - that's another theme for a tread...
Most ordinary/avarage people just ignore the endless show, accepting the brainwash you mention just to feel comfortable while doing nothing - I wonder what will happen if the capitalist crisis get's worser...
But we already have a plan...

[Shuei]

(sorry for not having answered, i've been so tired. I will get back to this i hope, as it's a good and friendly discussion)

[vAsSiLy77]

don't mind, it's your responsibility towards the cause of the people to recover your energy - rest well!