Abortion

[dwtcos]

Post birth abortion.

I am in favor of there being a world wide Z.P.G. instated for at least 20 years, look what happened to china.

Breeding is the most selfish, and horrible thing a person could do.

Oh and just wondering (not saying I disagree since I haven't put much thought into the matter) how is breeding selfish?

[Wonder138]

i dont really care im cool with it as long as there's a good reason witch is pretty much all ways the case but at the same time i still things its wrong but then again i looked at myself and if i got my gf pregnant id probably want it aborted considering i just turned 16 today and i dont think i cloud raise it right i mean its wrong on allot of levels your basically killing someone

[Anom]

i just turned 16 today

Happy birthday!

[Wonder138]

i just turned 16 today

Happy birthday!

THANKS

[Rathryn]

Yup congrats wonder

[Anom]

This seems like the perfect topic in wich to congratulate someone on his birthday, too... Just perfectly wrong in a poetic kind of way, somehow...

[Rathryn]

Meh, I like paradoxes

[Anom]

Who doesn't?!

[disfuck]

[quote="Steiner"]
For all those religious folk.

i made that stencil like 2 months ago , its funny that youve posted it .

[Sonsof77]

I honestly don't have a side on this issue. Personally I don't support abortion, but I believe it shouldn't be enforced or made a law. I think women should have the right to decide if they want one or not, and the government nor any other institution should get involved in her decision.

[easy e]

pro fuckin' choice.

[Hex]

Oh and just wondering (not saying I disagree since I haven't put much thought into the matter) how is breeding selfish?

the bulk of this essay is about male sterilization, but the issues regarding the 'selfishness' of breeding are discussed:


"STERILIZATION
On the 16th of July, 2008 I had a Vasectomy performed to permanently prevent myself from ever having biological children.

This is something I had been thinking about doing for over the previous 4 years, and I feel it is the single most important decision anyone can make (even more than going Vegan).

If we look at all the worlds ills, virtually every single one is exacerbated by an increase in Humyn population.


I made this decision for many reasons, but the top of the list is for the well being of this planet and all it's inhabitants. For the forest lands needed to be cleared to support our ever growing population. For the countless wild Animals killed and displaced by modern agriculture. For the dwindling supply of fresh water, so that it may be shared more evenly among the beings of this Earth. For all natural resources.

For Humanity. For the 100 million children who go to sleep homeless tonight. For the millions of orphans who will die because there is no one to love them, there will be one more home open to them. For the 3rd world citizens who would otherwise die so that my American offspring can live. (We as Americans use 1/3 of the worlds resources yet make up only 1/20 of the worlds population. If any people are to stem their population growth, I believe it should begin with the first world Nations.)

For my Kin. Because I feel it is unfair and cruel to invite new life into this world when we face some of the largest environmental perils ever to occur on this planet. So that no other being must forcibly live the suffering inherent in this life.

For Womyn Liberation. Because I would never want any of my female partners to have to go through the hardship and ordeal of an unplanned pregnancy and possible subsequent abortion. For all womyn of the world who have been forced to endure the repercussions of irresponsible men, I will stand up and be counted as one who takes responsibility for my reproduction.

For the suffering of the world, I free myself of the necessity to care and feed for my own kind and therefore enable myself to help those already alive. With out children of my own I will be able to care for more non-humyns and Humyns alike than I would be otherwise able to.

For these reasons and many more I have made this decision.


I have already been met with open hostility from people close to me towards in my decision of trying to ease suffering, but I want the people I love and care about to still feel free to discuss this issue with me if they so feel the need.


All of the arguments I have heard for having biological children thus far have been based in Selfishness, "I want my own child!" Laziness, "Adopting Children is Hard." or Arrogance "But my child will be different."
These are unacceptable in a World where children are starving to death. By having Biological children you are condemning the impoverished of the the world to death. If you have the desire, the ability and resources to Care for, Love and Protect a child of your own, than you have all the requirements to save an innocent child's life from unimaginable suffering.

Procreation in this day and age is subsequent to Murder of a child you could otherwise save, and this is no exaggeration!

Save Lives! STERILIZE!




A Vasectomy is a relatively simple procedure to have done (vastly more simple and lower risk than a Tubal Ligation (tied tubes). As someone who supports Feminist ideology I feel it is the responsibility of the male bodied individual of a relationship to have this procedure done, rather than asking their Femailed bodied partner to put herself at a larger risk of infection and complications (although Tubal Ligation is still considered a safe and simple surgery taking no more than 20 minutes to be completed). I also believe it is the male bodied individuals responsibility because non-permanent femail forms of Birth Control are know to have adverse affects on a womyn's body, where as a Vasectomy has an incredibly low rate of side affects.
I do however still encourage Famailed bodied people to become sterilized as it gives a whole new meaning to Reproductive Rights and Independents.

A Vasectomy takes all of 20 minutes to have done, from walking in the door to leaving. (compared to 1-2 hours for T.L.)
Local anesthetic is applied and a small incision is made in the scrotum where the Vas Deferens is extracted and snipped, a section removed, tied or cauterized (or in my case all three).
Pain is minimal, though discomfort is common for the first week and it is recommended to take it easy for this first week. (I highly recommend it, no bike rides!)

A Vasectomy varies in cost from as little as $50 co-pay to $1500. Although amazing organizations such as PLANNED PARENTHOOD offer the procedure on a sliding scale and may be completely free for low income individuals and couples at certain clinics and states.

If you have any questions about Sterilization that you feel I would be unable to answer Check out: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/mar-monte/sterilization-male.htm
or http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/sterilization-women-4248.htm " -xKeegan The Veganx

[dwtcos]

Oh and just wondering (not saying I disagree since I haven't put much thought into the matter) how is breeding selfish?

the bulk of this essay is about male sterilization, but the issues regarding the 'selfishness' of breeding are discussed:


"STERILIZATION
On the 16th of July, 2008 I had a Vasectomy performed to permanently prevent myself from ever having biological children.

This is something I had been thinking about doing for over the previous 4 years, and I feel it is the single most important decision anyone can make (even more than going Vegan).

If we look at all the worlds ills, virtually every single one is exacerbated by an increase in Humyn population.


I made this decision for many reasons, but the top of the list is for the well being of this planet and all it's inhabitants. For the forest lands needed to be cleared to support our ever growing population. For the countless wild Animals killed and displaced by modern agriculture. For the dwindling supply of fresh water, so that it may be shared more evenly among the beings of this Earth. For all natural resources.

For Humanity. For the 100 million children who go to sleep homeless tonight. For the millions of orphans who will die because there is no one to love them, there will be one more home open to them. For the 3rd world citizens who would otherwise die so that my American offspring can live. (We as Americans use 1/3 of the worlds resources yet make up only 1/20 of the worlds population. If any people are to stem their population growth, I believe it should begin with the first world Nations.)

For my Kin. Because I feel it is unfair and cruel to invite new life into this world when we face some of the largest environmental perils ever to occur on this planet. So that no other being must forcibly live the suffering inherent in this life.

For Womyn Liberation. Because I would never want any of my female partners to have to go through the hardship and ordeal of an unplanned pregnancy and possible subsequent abortion. For all womyn of the world who have been forced to endure the repercussions of irresponsible men, I will stand up and be counted as one who takes responsibility for my reproduction.

For the suffering of the world, I free myself of the necessity to care and feed for my own kind and therefore enable myself to help those already alive. With out children of my own I will be able to care for more non-humyns and Humyns alike than I would be otherwise able to.

For these reasons and many more I have made this decision.


I have already been met with open hostility from people close to me towards in my decision of trying to ease suffering, but I want the people I love and care about to still feel free to discuss this issue with me if they so feel the need.


All of the arguments I have heard for having biological children thus far have been based in Selfishness, "I want my own child!" Laziness, "Adopting Children is Hard." or Arrogance "But my child will be different."
These are unacceptable in a World where children are starving to death. By having Biological children you are condemning the impoverished of the the world to death. If you have the desire, the ability and resources to Care for, Love and Protect a child of your own, than you have all the requirements to save an innocent child's life from unimaginable suffering.

Procreation in this day and age is subsequent to Murder of a child you could otherwise save, and this is no exaggeration!

Save Lives! STERILIZE!




A Vasectomy is a relatively simple procedure to have done (vastly more simple and lower risk than a Tubal Ligation (tied tubes). As someone who supports Feminist ideology I feel it is the responsibility of the male bodied individual of a relationship to have this procedure done, rather than asking their Femailed bodied partner to put herself at a larger risk of infection and complications (although Tubal Ligation is still considered a safe and simple surgery taking no more than 20 minutes to be completed). I also believe it is the male bodied individuals responsibility because non-permanent femail forms of Birth Control are know to have adverse affects on a womyn's body, where as a Vasectomy has an incredibly low rate of side affects.
I do however still encourage Famailed bodied people to become sterilized as it gives a whole new meaning to Reproductive Rights and Independents.

A Vasectomy takes all of 20 minutes to have done, from walking in the door to leaving. (compared to 1-2 hours for T.L.)
Local anesthetic is applied and a small incision is made in the scrotum where the Vas Deferens is extracted and snipped, a section removed, tied or cauterized (or in my case all three).
Pain is minimal, though discomfort is common for the first week and it is recommended to take it easy for this first week. (I highly recommend it, no bike rides!)

A Vasectomy varies in cost from as little as $50 co-pay to $1500. Although amazing organizations such as PLANNED PARENTHOOD offer the procedure on a sliding scale and may be completely free for low income individuals and couples at certain clinics and states.

If you have any questions about Sterilization that you feel I would be unable to answer Check out: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/mar-monte/sterilization-male.htm
or http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/sterilization-women-4248.htm " -xKeegan The Veganx

[dwtcos]

Oh and just wondering (not saying I disagree since I haven't put much thought into the matter) how is breeding selfish?

the bulk of this essay is about male sterilization, but the issues regarding the 'selfishness' of breeding are discussed:


"STERILIZATION
On the 16th of July, 2008 I had a Vasectomy performed to permanently prevent myself from ever having biological children.

This is something I had been thinking about doing for over the previous 4 years, and I feel it is the single most important decision anyone can make (even more than going Vegan).

If we look at all the worlds ills, virtually every single one is exacerbated by an increase in Humyn population.


I made this decision for many reasons, but the top of the list is for the well being of this planet and all it's inhabitants. For the forest lands needed to be cleared to support our ever growing population. For the countless wild Animals killed and displaced by modern agriculture. For the dwindling supply of fresh water, so that it may be shared more evenly among the beings of this Earth. For all natural resources.

For Humanity. For the 100 million children who go to sleep homeless tonight. For the millions of orphans who will die because there is no one to love them, there will be one more home open to them. For the 3rd world citizens who would otherwise die so that my American offspring can live. (We as Americans use 1/3 of the worlds resources yet make up only 1/20 of the worlds population. If any people are to stem their population growth, I believe it should begin with the first world Nations.)

For my Kin. Because I feel it is unfair and cruel to invite new life into this world when we face some of the largest environmental perils ever to occur on this planet. So that no other being must forcibly live the suffering inherent in this life.

For Womyn Liberation. Because I would never want any of my female partners to have to go through the hardship and ordeal of an unplanned pregnancy and possible subsequent abortion. For all womyn of the world who have been forced to endure the repercussions of irresponsible men, I will stand up and be counted as one who takes responsibility for my reproduction.

For the suffering of the world, I free myself of the necessity to care and feed for my own kind and therefore enable myself to help those already alive. With out children of my own I will be able to care for more non-humyns and Humyns alike than I would be otherwise able to.

For these reasons and many more I have made this decision.


I have already been met with open hostility from people close to me towards in my decision of trying to ease suffering, but I want the people I love and care about to still feel free to discuss this issue with me if they so feel the need.


All of the arguments I have heard for having biological children thus far have been based in Selfishness, "I want my own child!" Laziness, "Adopting Children is Hard." or Arrogance "But my child will be different."
These are unacceptable in a World where children are starving to death. By having Biological children you are condemning the impoverished of the the world to death. If you have the desire, the ability and resources to Care for, Love and Protect a child of your own, than you have all the requirements to save an innocent child's life from unimaginable suffering.

Procreation in this day and age is subsequent to Murder of a child you could otherwise save, and this is no exaggeration!

Save Lives! STERILIZE!




A Vasectomy is a relatively simple procedure to have done (vastly more simple and lower risk than a Tubal Ligation (tied tubes). As someone who supports Feminist ideology I feel it is the responsibility of the male bodied individual of a relationship to have this procedure done, rather than asking their Femailed bodied partner to put herself at a larger risk of infection and complications (although Tubal Ligation is still considered a safe and simple surgery taking no more than 20 minutes to be completed). I also believe it is the male bodied individuals responsibility because non-permanent femail forms of Birth Control are know to have adverse affects on a womyn's body, where as a Vasectomy has an incredibly low rate of side affects.
I do however still encourage Famailed bodied people to become sterilized as it gives a whole new meaning to Reproductive Rights and Independents.

A Vasectomy takes all of 20 minutes to have done, from walking in the door to leaving. (compared to 1-2 hours for T.L.)
Local anesthetic is applied and a small incision is made in the scrotum where the Vas Deferens is extracted and snipped, a section removed, tied or cauterized (or in my case all three).
Pain is minimal, though discomfort is common for the first week and it is recommended to take it easy for this first week. (I highly recommend it, no bike rides!)

A Vasectomy varies in cost from as little as $50 co-pay to $1500. Although amazing organizations such as PLANNED PARENTHOOD offer the procedure on a sliding scale and may be completely free for low income individuals and couples at certain clinics and states.

If you have any questions about Sterilization that you feel I would be unable to answer Check out: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/mar-monte/sterilization-male.htm
or http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/sterilization-women-4248.htm " -xKeegan The Veganx

Above is a mispost! move along! And thanks Hex. I've never felt so inclined to have a procedure done on my scrotum.

[Ivanovich]

Breeding may be selfish, but so is eating food. I have bred, and eaten, and have now been snipped (op is no big deal, btw), and I consider abortion to be murder, and before you all lynch me, I do think murder is justified, at times. Nothing to do with any god, but I don't eat honey so I don't upset a bunch of insects, I can hardly then ignore the life 'potential or whatever' of a bunch of cells. It's not for me to rob such of however many years of life and experience might remain. Whatever, I not going to force anyone to do anything, their choice, I just don't particularly approve of it.

[jessfive]

Pro-choice! Keep your laws off my body.

[New Face In Hell]

I don't think anyone should be making a law telling people what to do with their own body.

[disfuck]

all i know is i was an unplanned mistake and had a shitty childhood , foster care group homes and adoption , so if anyone says shit about being against abortion i do not agree , i feel that so many children that werent aborted grew up with out real parents without their desicion and breeding is selfish, if the child has no option except for the immature parents who had done nothing except give up instead of birth control or abortion ,why should they go on if they should not have been born or no one planned on taking care of them in the first place, why should they go on ? it is selfish if you ask me !

[we're_all_dead_anyway]

"It's her body, it's her decision, not that of state, man, or religion."
-Her Body, Her Decision? by Behind Enemy Lines

My thoughts summed up exactly.

[Ivanovich]

Even 'planned' kids are mistakes, life is a fucking mistake. Anyway, if the parents are shite, kill the parents, not the kid.