The Exploited & Nazis: They Really Are Friends!

[punkmar77]

HiYA, That's me in one of those photos and I am not a Nazi, Nationalist or any kind of racist.
I have spent a lot of my life trying to expand peoples realm of understanding the hard way and I think it's grossly unfair for you to accuse me of being some kind of right wing sympathiser. I've been playing bass with the exploited for nearly a decade and I would imagine anyone who knows any of us would laugh when you try to suggest that either Wullie (he posted above) or I have any of those kind of feelings/sympathies.
I realise the internet is full of shit, but from time to time I suggest people have more sense than to assume that some arm chair warrior who has never spoken to us but has decided we are "friends" with nazis actually check their facts, it is very hurtful to be accused of something I personally despise.
I have thousands of photos from the road which don't have dubious characters in them. If anybody has any interest in seeing them I'll gladly send 'em on.

In the mean time. Here's a song we played in South East Asia recently.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACItWOM ... ure=relmfu

Peace, Love and Punk.
Irish Rob

Again I thank you for responding and I have respect and understanding for your statements, however Wattie is the one that's really in question here, and if he came on here and tried to excuse himself I simply wouldn't believe him. I happen to know firsthand that he is still heavily using meth and to me that just lets me know that he isn't paying much attention to anything else other than himself though as a punk I won't condemn him for his drug problems. I don't expect the rest of the band to be able to do much about it but please don't think that because you are committed to peace love and punk his actions don't reflect on you because obviously they do. Maybe the band should re-double its efforts and really get involved in turning perception around 'cuz I gotta tell you, many of us whether we were fans of the music or not, have totally lost respect for The Exploited as a unit.

[Fat Animal]

Hello there, I´m Ottar, the singer from Haggis. This boring forum was brought to my attention, and i have to say...it really is boring! All these lies presented as facts are old as merry fuck, it´s been debated far and wide for decades and the correct answer has always been, and still is: The Exploited are not Nazis and neither are Haggis. Speaking only for myself and Haggis, we have poor taste in humor that is the only thing we are guilty of, that and enjoying to provoke retarded canadians with no sense of humor, irony or common sense. Do i have to post loads of pictures with me and my gay [grossly inapproriate racial slur] friends in order to convince some dirty fucks i dont know? I use these words because i know they provoke you, not because i have any political agenda. We´re all fed up having to disclaim this and that every time some internet hero finds an old picture of us having fun zieg heiling and acting like utter bafoons. You dont need a college degree to understand that we´re mocking the whole nazi scene and wouldnt take part in such a moronic scene if it were to save our very lives. Other bands Haggis have toured with include: The Toy Dolls, Skatalites (you know the neo nazi group from Jamaica!) Cock Sparrer, Vice Squad, Anti Nowhere League, Discharge (biggest nazi band in the world ey?), Cockney Rejects, GBH, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Motorhead (oh my god he wears a iron cross!), Kvelertak, Purified In Blood and loads more. Neither whom are labeled nazi or racist, you dorks are the fucking racists here! As my my gay [same as above] lover says:"Sometimes these extreme leftwingers cant see the forrest for trees"...whatever the fuck that means? Good night each side.

[crustybeckham]

What are you? 12 year old?

Do you have a clue about the word you're using? The "n-word" is part of American racial history and to a lesser extent to the other countries involved in the slave trade. It is, by essence, a derogatory, heavily charged term and you use it as if you were whistling to a tune in the pub with the lads! I don't feel "provoked", I just feel you are a wanker.

[Fat Animal]

I can live with being labeled "Wanker" you have my blessings:)

[Fat Animal]

Here´s a picture of me conspiring with fellow nazis where the next Pearl Harbour should take place....Yes i know they are Chinese, it´s just me trying to be funny:
http://www.myspace.com/haggisofficial/p ... 2023203%7D

[fuck_off]

Is everyone into chopper's a nazi? Do I know every single fuckin' racist band all over the world? If not, how can I assume that a band as so much time on their own they google everyband in every country? Do you have actually that much time on your own? What is that, a witch hunt? You are attacking fuking good people with the true punk attitude and values. Exploited also played in the same fest as Korn also in Quebec, it doesn't mean anything you poor morons. They didn't made up the fest neither there nor in Quebec city. A bunch of people comes by and have a talk, therefore they are nazi? Bitches, please...

Oh by the way, Irish Rob, you had you pic taken with my son, you didn't ask for his fuckin' degree nor political beliefs nor anything, shame on you....

[fuck_off]

oh another thing... re. the ''sexist'' pic... Isn't that discrimination against female enjoyin' sm? If there were dominating you wouldn't have any problem with that but because they submitting?

[crustybeckham]

This is getting annoying...

If truly you believe that the Exploited stand for real punk values and attitude, I think you might have picked the wrong board. I don't think they're nazi, I don't care, what I do see is that they would play anywhere for money with any band and if that entails having Brazilian WP skins as bouncers, well so be it, punk's not dead!

And no, this is a sexist picture. Men dominating women in such an overt fashion is not a celebration of liberated sex (be it SM or whatnot), it is a male fantasy, for a frustrated male audience who likes to see women as being available to their desires.

[fuck_off]

And no, this is a sexist picture. Men dominating women in such an overt fashion is not a celebration of liberated sex (be it SM or whatnot), it is a male fantasy, for a frustrated male audience who likes to see women as being available to their desires.

..said the person with beckham in underwear as an avatar...
Obviously he is no sexsymbol at all. You HAVE to be liberated to assume the fact that you love being dominated sexually, it has absolutely nothing to do with everyday situation.

As for the true value, you probably discovered punk with Green day and ''evoluated'' - so you think. Annoyin'? I'll tell you what is annoying: People bullshiting on ''perhaps'' and ''maybes'' over the internet without actually knowing what the fuck they are talking about.

[crustybeckham]

Lord Beckham is a grown man who loves showing the world his amazing anatomy and I shall not tolerate any criticism about his underwear.

More seriously, you seem to imply that women being pictured as dominated sex-object is a sign of liberation. If people do this in their sexual lives, it is no one's business. But using masochistic images in order to promote a oi band hardly equates sexual liberation and only reflects male fantasies.

It's a good thing I "evoluated" then, right? But you clearly haven't. The Exploited were cartoon punk-rockers with little actual lyrical context, they had some catchy songs, a couple of decent enough lyrics but that's really about it for me. Why are you so angry? Have mean people been criticizing your favourite band? C'mon, take a deep breath, relax, take a walk, play some decent DIY punk music. But I don't want to read that patronizing tone of yours again, that's not the spirit "fuck_off" (seriously, you mock my amazing avatar and you chose this as your nickname, how very mature of you...).

[skullfokker]

Brazilian WP skins as bouncers, well so be it, punk's not dead!

this is hilairious we had what as bouncers in brazil.i dont even know what the fuck youre on about. yeah we have been to brazil and played there but we certainly dont have a clue as to who does what at the gigs,seriously you guys need to get out in the real world and see life and see what its like for a touring band and actually know what the fuck youre talking about!

[crustybeckham]

Brazilian WP skins as bouncers, well so be it, punk's not dead!

this is hilairious we had what as bouncers in brazil.i dont even know what the fuck youre on about. yeah we have been to brazil and played there but we certainly dont have a clue as to who does what at the gigs,seriously you guys need to get out in the real world and see life and see what its like for a touring band and actually know what the fuck youre talking about!

I read this in a fanzine in Spanish. It was about a boycott that Brazilian anarchopunks had organized because there were Brazilian boneheads working as bouncers at some of your shows. I don't remember what is the name of the zine to be honest, but I seem to remember it was done in the 90's. However, the fact that you don't even know who organizes what, who does what, who you are playing with and who you are playing to, sums it up for me. I don't mean to offend you, but that is so far from DIY punk that it really is just rock'n'roll now and, well, it is pretty sad. You sound like a decent bloke and I don't want to sound like a mean bastard but that is what I think.

I get out in the "real world" more than enough, thank you very much. No need to be condescending. What is it with this argument that comes over and over again? Is "the real world" an Exploited tour? Seriously? To me, life is unemployment, being skint all the time, trying to get to a couple of decent DIY punk shows in the month, not drinking too much, trying to pay the rent on time, spending as little as possible on food and so on. Just because one happens to post on the internet doesn't mean he or she has no life and lives at mom and dad's completely cut off from the daily grind.

[punkmar77]

Enough of the bullshit, nobody here said The Exploited are Nazi's, what was said is that Wattie and some members of the band past and present don't really seem to give a fuck who they hang with... case in point above an old ass picture which the band acknowledged long ago on their my-space page..the reason all of this old shit reared its head again was specifically because the band decided that they would post an anti-racist message which in my eyes was a good thing, but many other people decided it was hypocrisy pure and simple. If you want to have a civil discussion about all of this then you are welcome here to discuss it as have been Irish Rob etc. but if you just want to come here and start condescending forum members and speaking to them as if to children then I suggest you move on this isn't the place for you.

[skullfokker]

If you want to have a civil discussion about all of this then you are welcome here to discuss it

Ok I came here because you! are putting up stuff about us! as have others who have never met us. you say civil discussion here’s a quote from one of your other pages ( this is punkmarr 77 ) "Wattie is a fuckin' Mexican hating, Packie baiting, homophobic swastika tattoo wearing, white power fence riding, piece of shit....and if you refuse to see it because you idolize this douche bag " not very civil is it. How would you feel if people who don’t know you started spreading rumours about you on the net? wouldnt you want to set the record straight, I wasn’t meaning to be condescending but have to laugh if you get upset at condescending when you and other people are posting links ,links of other links and pure hear say i might add! but cry when someone upsets you, also I notice you use the word paki a lot in other pages, just to let you know that in Britain that’s a very offensive word.as to crusty beckham i know all about being on the dole mate was on it for 19 years. The exploited didn’t start of playing massive gigs mate I’ve done my fair share of playing the pubs squats and tiny clubs, sleeping in vans in car parks etc. and I just scrape by playing in the band I live in a wee council flat with my wife and dogs and im far from rich. probably have more in common with you guys than you think, if you actually took the time to meet us and talk instead of spreading shite on the net ,you might be surprised
heres a pic from brazil with marky ramone,gordo from ratos de parao and derrick green from sepultura. none of who are nazis but then again we didnt ask them if they were
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=11 ... s:113,i:77

[punkmar77]

I acknowledge that I was really pissed off at the band a couple years ago when I found out there had been a somewhat violent incident at a show here in San Diego involving my deceased best friend and then singer of the Mexican punk band Solucion Mortal, but since then I spoke to Luis the bass player that was, and is, in the band at the time and he said the whole thing never happened... which is why I have been more than civil with you now and I think you should be here to defend yourself without people attacking you, that comment you quoted wasn't directed at you by the way but at the bloke from Haggis that decided "we're all just a bunch of kids that probably found punk through green day" I have no problem with you Wullie, your brothers behavior is something else entirely and I understand it's in your nature to defend him...

[punkmar77]

Fatty:"Have a beer zipperhead" Zipperhead:"Vely nice, big lockstal give me beel, i nevel wash my almpit again!"

Is this supposed to illustrate how not racist Haggis is?

[JesusCrust]

I was just about to post that ^^

[ungovernable]

ok my name is wullie.im watties brother and I’ve been drumming in the exploited for near on 28 years
some of the shit you have put up on this site is laughable.
the picture with Irish rob our bass player with the Canadian guys.im sure you know who those guys are but you can take it from me we don’t know who they are. You say they are Nazis....well I’m sorry but when we meet people and get a picture taken with them

On the picture with the nazi gang, you're wearing a tshirt of their nazi bands, stop pretending you don't know them. The Exploited even did a small tour with them. You play with nazis, take pictures with them, wear they t-shirt... don't be surprised to be considered as fence sitters

unless they have a fucking ss uniform on and a stupid moustache how the fuck are we supposed to know what their political views are

Ok so you agree to make a show with a nazi band and wear their tshirt without even looking for infos about them and checking out if they're nazi ? Then it just confirms how stupid you are ...

And with the t-shirt the Skrewdriver dude was wearing, there is no excuse you couldn't know what his political views are : it's a fucking nazi symbol !!! If you can't even realize what this t-shirt stands for, then stop pretending to be anti-nazi.

anyway all people do is troll the net looking for stuff to reinforce what they think people are and try to fit them into a wee box of “yeah i read that so it must be true”.

Not at all. Back many years ago i was actually an exploited fan, i even have a tshirt of your band somewhere in my closet but i'm too ashamed to wear it now that i've discovered how you are fence sitters. I actually did a lot of researches on your band and there's too much nasty story, i can't just close my eyes on that.

we have never been associated with any right wing or left wing politics. We are 4 individuals who come from different back grounds. as to the picture you put up of all those people who we don’t know and say they got back stage and got in for free. That is funny as hell as the picture there’s a porta toilet there we don’t have them in our dressing room and we certainly didn’t know who these people are and we did not let them in for free. Or have anything to do with them.

BULLSHIT. They are member of a nazi band called "HAGGIS" if you don't know them or their band then why the fuck Wattie is wearing an HAGGIS t-shirt ???

Anyway I’m getting kind of sick of defending ourselves to internet warriors, who read stuff online and think it’s true. If we were Nazis and believe me we are not, there would be more than just 1 or 2 dodgy pictures on the net, we have been going for over 30 years if we were Nazis then we would say so

Nobody said you are nazis. You are just very stupid fence-sitters.

yet again i have to say "research" just google the exploited and you will get the same 3 or 4 pictures that you always reffer to but seem to ignore the hundreds of other pictures of wattie and the band with loads of people who arent "suspect" right wing types

So your logical is : I can be friend with nazis as long as i take pictures with black men it excuses myself ? Once again, it just prove you're stupid.

Hello there, I´m Ottar, the singer from Haggis. This boring forum was brought to my attention, and i have to say...it really is boring! All these lies presented as facts are old as merry fuck, it´s been debated far and wide for decades and the correct answer has always been, and still is: The Exploited are not Nazis and neither are Haggis. Speaking only for myself and Haggis, we have poor taste in humor that is the only thing we are guilty of, that and enjoying to provoke retarded canadians with no sense of humor, irony or common sense. Do i have to post loads of pictures with me and my gay [grossly inapproriate racial slur] friends in order to convince some dirty fucks i dont know? I use these words because i know they provoke you, not because i have any political agenda. We´re all fed up having to disclaim this and that every time some internet hero finds an old picture of us having fun zieg heiling and acting like utter bafoons. You dont need a college degree to understand that we´re mocking the whole nazi scene and wouldnt take part in such a moronic scene if it were to save our very lives. Other bands Haggis have toured with include: The Toy Dolls, Skatalites (you know the neo nazi group from Jamaica!) Cock Sparrer, Vice Squad, Anti Nowhere League, Discharge (biggest nazi band in the world ey?), Cockney Rejects, GBH, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Motorhead (oh my god he wears a iron cross!), Kvelertak, Purified In Blood and loads more. Neither whom are labeled nazi or racist, you dorks are the fucking racists here! As my my gay [same as above] lover says:"Sometimes these extreme leftwingers cant see the forrest for trees"...whatever the fuck that means? Good night each side.

Hahahah i thought Exploited pretended to don't know you guys, it's funny that you show up on this forum just after The Exploited members... What a coincidence... No actually Exploited are your friends and they just sent you the link to this forum.

So you're not nazi... Oh really ?



On this video, you have nice "Rock Against Communism" t-shirts... A neo-nazi musical movement started by Skrewdriver and their friends... But hey, that's just to make fun of the nazis i suppose ?


And that's not nationalism i suppose ?


So basically... You act like nazis, do zieg heil, you're nationalists, use nazi symbols.... Your song talk about "the final solution" you insult "niggers", etc.... But we're supposed to believe that you're not nazis ?

Is everyone into chopper's a nazi? Do I know every single fuckin' racist band all over the world? If not, how can I assume that a band as so much time on their own they google everyband in every country?

So you accept to play without any bands and don't inform yourselves about what kind of band they are ? Definatly, this proves once again that you are just stupid. Don't pretend to be anti-nazi if you don't even try to avoid them.

You are attacking fuking good people with the true punk attitude and values.

Chaos ? Disorder ? Nazi tattoos ? Homophobia ? Sexist insults ? Anti-paki attitude ? Being friends with nazi bands ? Mindless violence against mobs ? Playing for nazis in bulgaria ?

Definatly, we don't have the same definition of "true punk attitude and values". If that's what real punk is, i prefer to not be a punk anymore.


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So while The Exploited members are trolling this forum i'd like you to answer a couple of question instead of just accusing us of being "keyboard warriors". You want to defend your band and give us your point of view, fine. Let's do it.

- Why are you wearing an HAGGIS t-shirt and how did you get it if you don't know the band and their members ?

- Why did you play a show in Bulgaria for a crowd of neo-nazis after they beaten the shit out of the anarcho-punks and sent many of them at the hospital ? Why did you dedicate a song about violence for them ?

- Why does Wattie still have a nazi tattoo ? And don't bring up the 1980 argument about provocation, it's fucking 2012 now and this time is over. Why didn't he get a cover-up on that fucking nasty tattoos ? You pretend that you hate racism, so you should hate the swastika too ?

- Why does Wattie have (or had) a nazi flag in his living room ? He admitted it in an interview

- On a live recording of "i hate you" song, why did you dedicate this song against Jello Biafra, insulting him with anti-semitic and homophobic insults ?

- Why do you keep using sexist, anti-semitic and homophobic insults all the time ? (interviews, live recordings, etc)

- Why did you encourage your fans to go beat up the fans at a show by "The Jam" in a venue near a place where an Exploited show was happenning ? Henry Rollins wrote a story about that on his blog, but let me guess, he's a liar and a keyboard warrior, right ?

- You said that you like crass. So why did you say on stage that "crass are a bunch of wankers" ?

- Why do you tolerate nazis and racists on the official forum of The Exploited ? Why don't you recruit moderators ? Each time i visit this forum it's full of very disgusting racist comments. If you're so concerned about racism, you would clean that up, wouldn't you ?

- Wattie said on an interview that he hates pakis. Do you pretend that this isn't racism ?

- On your last show in Quebec, why did you accept to let the Quebec Stompers and Coup De Masse crews to go backstage for free ? You took pictures with them and hung out with those skinheads. They're close to the nazi scene and they keep beating up redskins and anarchists here in Quebec. They even attempted to murder a couple of us. They have RAC bands talking about attacking left-wing people with knives and they actually attacked a left-wing bar with knives and sent many people at hospital for no reason.

[Fat Animal]

Hello again.

The eagle we use for our logo is taken from the Roman empire (Germans borrowed it as they did with the swaztika) and we´ve placed the norwegian crown on top of it, we do this to provoke, it´s punkrock! Same goes for me wearing the RAC t-shirt, in the next video i wear a Trojan t-shirt, go figure. As for all the Norwegian flags, what can i say, we live in a great country and want to show it. Other countries i really like include Brazil, Colombia (where i lived for over a year back in the nineties) and China where we toured for 16 days meeting tons of funny zipperheads whom enjoyed our company and vice-verca. I use this racial slurr as you put it trying to be funny, it´s my sense of humor. If you folks find it offensive, then in a way i have won..i just didnt think there was people stupid enough to take my crap so seriously. We´ve done this for over fifteen years now, toured the world, slept in Mexican squats, played in Germany and hung out at Tommy House and then the next day played in a dodgy venue called Menfiz and then next week flewn over to Chile for a three date tour. Haggis plays punkrock with a twist, we are very politically uncorrect and we play and hang out with whatever people having whatever color, creed or social status. WE DONT CARE! You can go roaming the internet looking for pictures that you feel incriminates us until you drop dead on yer humorless ass for all we care, it doesnt change a thing. Come September you´ll find me on tour doing security for Norwegian Black Metal band Gorgoroth (google them, i´ll bet you find loads of shite to missunderstand and re-post here) taking me to Brazil, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina the whole of South America to say the least....i mean why the fuck would a neo-nazi-racist-thug wanna go there?! I´m re-posting my first post, Haggis is neither racist or neo nazi. As for the link between us and The Exploited, they have never denied neither being friends or having tours with us. They have denied doing so with nazi or racist bands, Haggis is neither. So no lies there mate.

Old post again:
Hello there, I´m Ottar, the singer from Haggis. This boring forum was brought to my attention, and i have to say...it really is boring! All these lies presented as facts are old as merry fuck, it´s been debated far and wide for decades and the correct answer has always been, and still is: The Exploited are not Nazis and neither are Haggis. Speaking only for myself and Haggis, we have poor taste in humor that is the only thing we are guilty of, that and enjoying to provoke retarded canadians with no sense of humor, irony or common sense. Do i have to post loads of pictures with me and my gay [grossly inapproriate racial slur] friends in order to convince some dirty fucks i dont know? I use these words because i know they provoke you, not because i have any political agenda. We´re all fed up having to disclaim this and that every time some internet hero finds an old picture of us having fun zieg heiling and acting like utter bafoons. You dont need a college degree to understand that we´re mocking the whole nazi scene and wouldnt take part in such a moronic scene if it were to save our very lives. Other bands Haggis have toured with include: The Toy Dolls, Skatalites (you know the neo nazi group from Jamaica!) Cock Sparrer, Vice Squad, Anti Nowhere League, Discharge (biggest nazi band in the world ey?), Cockney Rejects, GBH, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Motorhead (oh my god he wears a iron cross!), Kvelertak, Purified In Blood and loads more. Neither whom are labeled nazi or racist, you dorks are the fucking racists here! As my my gay [same as above] lover says:"Sometimes these extreme leftwingers cant see the forrest for trees"...whatever the fuck that means? Good night each side.

[Fat Animal]

Here is a link to Haggis covering the famous nazi Billy Bragg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvntpqlc24
Plenty of pictures there for you to drool upon, including me with chinese, black people, wattie (omg!), Irish Rob (oh my freckkin god!), a dog, some kids, a tattooed senior (did she survive the holocaust?) etc enjoy!